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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Sue C on July 19, 2007, 02:03:56 PM
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Found this today, http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-7946
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-7945
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-7944
I dont think the metal foot belong's to the bowl, any idea's who made it?.
Thanks Sue.
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Hi Sue,
I actually had an identical bowl in my hand yesterday, same colour, but no stand. Do the people have clogs on?
Can't help with ID though, sorry. I would have bought the one yesterday, but the handles were badly damaged :-\
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Hi Della, yes the people have clog's on, i should have looked closer ::) there is a stress fracture where the base has been screwed on, and i think the stand look's awful, once i have found out who made it, if some one want's it for research or for photo's they can have it.
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Here's what Ivo said about MIL's (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4226.0.html) without a stand. A lot of the metalware was added here, but that looks disproportionate. Maybe it had a shorter fatter one and somebody swapped them.
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Hi Christine, thank's for that, the bowl itself has a full base foot, so i'm begining to think it has been drilled, hence the stress fracture, and the stand added later.
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These things often were drilled afterwards. They were sometimes made dual purpose. Occasionally plates or bowls just seem to have been drilled if the pattern is suitable (Fiestaware for example, but also found on pressed glass). Other times, the centre of the design actually has a much thinner circular indent with a reinforcing rim, for example, the Bagley fish scale bowls and plates, that could be drilled much more easily.
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Looking at the base foot there is no ageing at all :-\ so it look's as if someone added the foot to a new bowl, maybe they thought the bowl would look better raised up a little so they could see the pattern.
Anyway, i hope someone recognize's it, as i might have a nervouse breakdown looking for the pattern, it will play on my mind if i dont
find it.
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Mother in law's bowl is 40/50 years old
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I dont think the bowl is new, i meant to say the stand was added when the bowl was first bought or soon after, anyway if one of the pressed glass people want it let me know.
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Just found this bowl on eBay.com.au (150161192749). In the centre is a mark, BVB France, which according to Frank here:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1788.0.html
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Société Exploitation Verrière Beauce-Bourgogne S.A. et Verrière de la Chapelle St. Mesmin.
Genlis near Dijon, Côte d'Or, France.
Frank, if you're reading this, is that the 1930s mark?
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30's date is not reliable... essentially dates unknown.
The piece looks more likely to be post-war
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Bit more about the (two) Glassworks.
Established 1927 as Verrerie Dessaux in Chapelle St. Mesmin. (elsewhere described as a vinegar maker?) but making general glassware and bottles.
1930 bought by Coty and then made their containers, renamed Verreries de La Chapelle St. Mesmin. I have a catalogue of domestic glass ware, pressed glass in four colours Rosaline, Azur, Emeraude & Blank. With named patterns that are quite distinctive. (Pink, green, blue and clear). Trademark CSM. Incidentally they also made piano foot rest as well as similar for heater, radiators and portable stoves - round, triangular and semicircular. Societe Anonyme capital 5 million francs.
1930 Saint Gobain built a glassworks named Saint-Gobain de Genlis for packaging manufacturing. S-G being motivated by their expansion on container ware exploiting automation from 1925.
c. 1934 CSM bought by Saint Gobain. A company was set-up as Societe Exploitation Verriere Beauce-Bourgogne combined with Genlis works. BVB trademark added. Capital 21million francs, office in Paris.
1945 Trademark Duralex for their Heat resistant glassware range.
1990s bought by Bormioli Rocco
2008 Independent as Duralex International (after a period of stops and starts)
The Genlis glassworks closed, possibly as early as 1969 or as late as 2012 but hard to track that down.
The puzzle, was the CSM logo continued or replaced with BVB, seems likely?
I will add examples of CSM designs shortly.
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Example images of CSM ranges, copyright Glass-study.com
"Acanthe" item shown is underplate for carafe (Dessous de carafe)
"Provence" item shown is jug/Pitcher (Cruche)
"Tunis" item shown is lidded sugar (Sucrier)
"Batavia" item shown is mustard pot (Moutardier)
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Piano foot rest (Dessous de piano étoile)
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General note: BVB marketed themselves as Flaconerie and Gobleterie. They were part of Saint Gobain Packaging division. Which has probably kept them off the radar, the catalogue I have for CSM 1930-34 is only pressed glass tableware.