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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Max on August 16, 2007, 10:13:10 AM
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[Mod: This thread has been merged with another from 2017. The title has been amended to focus on the "Oreor" mark and the thread moved back from the France forum into the Glass forum for another look by a more general audience.]
Measuring 13" high, this is a whopper! I have to say I've got no idea even of country of origin - Germany or France perhaps? There's no makers marks at all. Seems to be mould blown and uranium, but that's about as much as I can say about it...apart from the fact I love it! It has a lovely ethereal glow about it and I love large pieces of glass. :D Pretty heavy too, as you would expect for a vase this size.
Any idea of country of origin anyone??
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:o :o :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Never seen that one before on my searches, sorry
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My best guess -and yes its a guess, but not a wild guess
Verriers De Scailmont SA
from Belgium
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Due to Mike's help on email, I think I might have found a makers mark. There's a fat, slanted O and then an italicised few letters after which are impossible to read. The word is underlined by a swooping, short underscore.
I've looked in Ivo's a-z factfile and I'm thinking this vase could be Oreot, although I can't find out much about them on the net.
Edit: Believe it might be spelled 'Oreor' not 'Oreot'.
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Max — When I looked at this first time around, it immediately struck me how very Joblingesque it was. Like the Lambton, fish, and bird & corn vases it has a ground top, slightly flared to make it a dual purpose vase / lamp base, a satin finish, and is of a similar size. And the colour is a good match.
So one possibility is that was Jobling, if you discount the faint marks you have observed. Now, I am sure that there were several patterns in this Jobling range that never went into production, like the tall centrepiece statuette of which a few examples survive. I believe that there may well have been some development of the range discontinued because of the war, and other scenarios are possible.
Another possibility is that as the Jobling fish and bird & corn vases were certainly modelled by Etienne Franckhauser, with the Lambton vase a possibility, I should have thought how very Franckhauseresque it was. This could help track down a continental maker.
If you bring it to Cambridge, we could compare it with the Jobling vases, as I am presently planning to bring the fish and bird & corn vases (if I can fit them in).
Whatever, it is a quite beautiful piece.
Bernard C. 8)
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Max - it's an amazing vase. I'm especially interested in the neck, but I can't see the detail I'm looking for in the photos, so could you check it for me, please. The neck structure to compare with is this:
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/IncaMarks_Neck.html
Glen
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Thanks Bernard, thanks for the potential maker info - maybe I will bring it up to Cambridge...it's a massive piece of glass, so I'll have to be careful! Thanks also for saying that you thought it was beautiful, you should see it in my sitting room at night, I've got a small blacklight tube pointed at it. :o :D
Glen, I'm attaching a couple of photo's here, but I don't think it marries up with your Lily vase unfortunately: :'(
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Hello,
Its a OREOR vase created in France arround 1920.
Regards Floreke
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Sorry for coming back to this older post but I was just wondering...
There are plenty of auction results on the net for this brand Oreor, but nothing really informative... Ivo's Glass Fact File and the Glasmarkenlexicon don't talk about this mark but only 'Oreot' ... could this be a different company?
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I must have used the same source as Carolus :-) and it seems likely it is the same maker. Not much information available, I suspect it is a brand name rather than an individual factory.
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Thank you Ivo, there's not much info indeed, I was just wondering if Oreor and Oreot are the same or two different companies. There was a company Van Haelewyck Frères in Brussels that had a series of glass indoor lighting called Oreor, but as all todays auction announcements mention French glass, I wondered if this could be ignored or not.
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I bought this globe vase or possible lamp base today, not knowing what it is. It is 24 cm across and 19.5 cm high. The base is plain, as expected in a moulded piece, with no marks but some signs of age. There is a mark on the side which seems to say 'oreol' in a cursive script. It was sold to me as French Art Deco, but I am worried that it is not what it appears. I have searched my books on French 1930s glass without finding anything. Nothing turned up on the web either. Any help would be appreciated.
Anton
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Probably Oreor France, circa 30s, as suspected.
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It is amazing what difference one letter makes. ;D Agreed: Oreor. I have never heard of that name or company before. Is it a trade mark of a better known company?
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Very true :)
I had a piece a while back and remember the moulded script being frustratingly difficult to decipher!
Afraid I couldn't find much further info at the time, apart from being French and of the period.
Hopefully others may know more about the name.
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I just found this interesting post on a French forum.
http://placedelours.superforum.fr/t21707-vase-verre-moule-presse-oreor (http://placedelours.superforum.fr/t21707-vase-verre-moule-presse-oreor)
There is a picture of a receipt(?) for Van Haeleweyck Freres which says 'Glass Lighting OREOR', if my translation is correct. Van Haeleweyck doesn't sound very French, perhaps Flemish? Can any French speaker help out with what the conversation on the forum says, please?
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Hi Anton,
Hopefully someone can help translate.
The picture I also believe is one of a receipt. The discussion also refers to the end of the following GMB thread this merged thread.
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Believe it or not I found the full receipt for sale on an auction site ::)
https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/collectables/invoices-commercial-documents/belgium-electricity-gas/van-haeleweyck-verrerie-d-eclairage-oreor-1929-25-320345177.html (https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/collectables/invoices-commercial-documents/belgium-electricity-gas/van-haeleweyck-verrerie-d-eclairage-oreor-1929-25-320345177.html)
At a guess it was the stamps that were of interest!
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Translating (via google translate) the comments in the French forum mentioned in Reply #15 seems to show that the folks there were saying much the same as folk in the GMB have said in the earlier parts of this merged thread.
My main thoughts are:
a) "Oreor" seems to be the correct name, rather than "Oreot"
b) It seems that "Oreor" is probably a trading name of Van Haelewyck Frères (of Brussels), for which there is hardly any info available on the internet
c) We don't have proof of whether these items were made in France or elsewhere
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I don't have much to add. But I can make out from the receipt that Van Haeleweyck Frères was founded in 1855 and were still in existence in 1929. Their address was 63-69 Rue du Vautour, Brussels. I can't quite make out the company registry number, but possibly 3846. A search of the Belgian equivalent of Companies House may provide more information. Clearly the company was selling in bulk since the receipt lists 54 each of 3 different product lines.
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Mod: Bump ... following merger with thread from 2007.
Any thoughts on this interesting subject are welcome.
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Couldn't the Belgian company have been a wholesaler?
Also, I've been reading up on Inwald edited - I meant Barolac. I may not have got all the info straight, but it 'seemed' to me that they might have made (some) glass ranges/designs for other companies, and to the other companies' designs. Or that Barolac was some form of trade name?
Perhaps that was the same with Oreor ? that it might have been a 'trade' name?
And I think there was a Belgian factory making this type of 1920s pressed glass vases?
m
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Now he threads have been merged I can see that Mike M also mentioned a Belgian maker in the other thread
'My best guess -and yes its a guess, but not a wild guess
Verriers De Scailmont SA
from Belgium'
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This might be of interest... http://www.irismonument.be/fr.Bruxelles_Pentagone.Rue_du_Vautour.59.html - the photo of the building is clickable to enlarge it. They also supplied metal buttons for army uniforms https://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/record/2023010/71022A51_priref_3824.html
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Wonderful, Anne. I'm going to try and solve this one by research (I'm recently resident in Belgium and reresearching my website accordingly)
Here are my 'working thoughts' (credit to all contributors), which I will also share with my Belgian professional contacts via email.
I really hope that we can solve the puzzle, although I guess I'm not the first to try. :)
Van Haeleweyck Frères was founded in 1855 and were still in existence in 1929. Their address was 63-69 Rue du Vautour (Gierstraat), Brussels. the company registry number, 3646. Clearly the company was selling in bulk since the receipt lists 54 each of 3 different product lines" The front of the building is marked "Lusterie - Van Haelesweyck Frs - Pendules" and the invoice adds 'Verrerie d'eclairage' (Lighting Glass)- Oréor
It seems clear that these designs were intended (mainly) for use as table lamp bases. (The last one was not the first found with it's original lamp fitting)
I think it's clear that the word 'Oréor' is NOT a factory, but must then be either a designer or a brand name. (This is also indicated by the format of the
Van Haeleweyck paper ; that they were exclusive distributors). Implies that they may have ordered or made designs (moulds) and then will have had the items produced by a third party (outside Brussels). The fact that they were sometimes described as 'French' may be misleading us?!
There are a few added clues for deductive reasoning:
Normally the Oreor supplier would be within 'easy reach' of Brussels, if that IS indeed where they were distributed.
(This implies more likely candidates Scailmont?, Sars?, Hunebelle? Muller Freres?)
All the designs seem to be from the same designer. (combining geometry and round forms)
Considering there are several different designs, all clearly marked, there are not very many survivors, implying that production numbers were low. (It was not identified at all by Hartmann or Kappa, and GlassMessages have only found a few!)
The "oreor' mark is into the side of the mould (not the base!) and written in script. This is quite unusual as a style of marking. Scailmont is one of the few factories that did it this way, and indeed even the handwriting is quite close to that on Scailmont/ Heemskerk/ Catteau items. also Carillo?
There is usually a special significance to chosing a trade name. 'Or-é-Or ' could be a reference to gold, but doesn't seem that likely. Could it be an anagram, regional name, wife's name, initials, or a pun?
Production quality is 'mid-range' and there are signs of flecking on the satine surfaces. The Items are quite thickly cast, although there are no traces of seams around the body (as far as I've inspected)
So far there are 6 models found, and they were probably available in white, light amber (honey), light-blue, sea-green, uranium?green and light purple.
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Glad it was of interest, Jay. :) I did a Google image search for Oreor glass and it produces a fair few results... including 2 darker amethyst coloured vases.