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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Sklounion on September 01, 2007, 03:03:03 PM
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Hi,
Can anyone tell me of known examples of ashtrays advertising, and presumably made by, Pyrex?
Thanks and regards,
Marcus
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Pyrex was made in numerous countries and each country may or may not have produced their own ashtrays for marketing. Out-sourcing would not be uncommon but it was usually marked as though made by the company. Moncrieff certainly made stuff that was marked up and packaged as made in the USA by Corning.
In Moncrieff/Corning case it was partly to do with a patent dealing as Moncrieff could have prevented the sale of Pyrex in the UK and Corning could have prevented some Moncrieff market in USA/Canada.
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... ashtrays advertising, and presumably made by, Pyrex? ...
Marcus — Is this a trick question? Pyrex is a type of glass, not the name of a glassworks!
If you meant "... ashtrays advertising, and presumably made in, Pyrex? ...", then I think it unlikely. I've never seen one, nor come across oven-to-table, casserolled, baked, or roasted cigarettes, with or without gravy or custard. Why use an expensive engineered heat resistant glass when cheap flint glass would do? Re British Empire (minus Canada?) Pyrex, Jobling's mid thirties trade catalogues advertise a variety of flint glass ashtrays, round or hexagonal, plain or with moulded horse's head or cockerel, uncoloured or amber. By Adam's time, they had stopped making anything but Pyrex, so promotional glass ashtrays would probably have been commissioned from the likes of Nazeing or Wood Bros.
Bernard C. 8)
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Pyrex is a trade-mark Bernard.... not a type of glass. It is actually Boro-silicate glass and the main difference of the formulation that was marketed as Pyrex was originally the addition of aluminium. (Off the top of my head)
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Hi, thank you, both of you for your contributions.
I have discovered an ashtray, which is clearly a Pyrex, not be a mistaken as a bottle lid, often described here in France as cendrier, iiem which gives rise to questions.....
M
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It does Marcus.
1. As a what? iii
2. What are you on ;)
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There are many items described as ashtrays which are not........
2: Evian Water
But the latter does not invalidate this line of research.........
M
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OK,
Image is here: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8396
I've never seen such an item, can find no reference to anything similar, other than a relatively modern item on an insulators website. The initials in the centre of the ashtray are PC, as in Pyrex Companie, and the address round that is *8 RUE FABRE D'EGLANTINE PARIS". One of the depressions for a cigarette has the number 4 on it. The item is pressed.
Regards,
Marcus
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promotional item from Corning France not necessarily made by Corning France but by one of their major customers - like Arques or VMC.
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Thanks, Ivo.
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So the PC is not Pyrex Companie but Pittsburgh Corning.
M
(Clearly operating outside his knowledge area) ;D
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Marcus — Amazing. Please could I see a detailed photograph of the "4", and its exact dimensions in mm with fractions or decimal places if you can manage it. A photograph with a mm scale vertically next to the "4" would be useful. Heights of the other letters would also be useful.
Bernard C. 8)
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Marcus — Also could you try out that lettering on any French bottle and pressed glass collectors you know?
... and, as you've all guessed what I am contemplating, did Wood Bros have agents in Paris?
Bernard C. 8)
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Hi Bernard,
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8397
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8398
Please note due to parallax error, height of the four is 4mm, width 3mm.
Height of the P of Pyrex is 7mm.
Height of the lettering of the address is 4mm.
Hope this helps you.
Regards,
Marcus
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Marcus — Sad, but it's definitely not a Wood Bros mould. The "4" is completely different, very much a French/Continental "4". The "A"s have also got slightly flatter tops than the Wood Bros "A"s. Otherwise it's a fairly close match, particularly with the hints of serifs at the corners of the letters.
A pity — that would have been interesting!
Bernard C. 8)
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Bernard, not to worry, I am always looking for interesting pieces, so if I find a glass hone, I'll let you know.
I just bought this, as I rarely see publicity items in glass, for glass companies, and know of very few examples.
Regards,
Marcus
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... so if I find a glass hone, I'll let you know.
I just bought this, as I rarely see publicity items in glass, for glass companies, and know of very few examples. ...
You are unlikely to find the two? missing Lillicrap's hones in France — it's the French boxes and instruction leaflets I need.
One of my tiny Wood Bros collection is an advertising ashtray for "SYD ISRAEL — PLATED GOODS AND GLASS" of Upton Park, London, and I also have a Bagley ashtray advertising a bicycle shop in Knottingley, both with moulded inscriptions. They are rare here.
Thanks for the photographs.
If you happen by your equivalent of Kew, the inscription on Lillicrap's hone reads "FRANCE BREVET NO. 708000", although that looks more like a category prefix followed by "000" than the full number. It dates from around 1930–31.
Bernard C. 8)
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...I rarely see publicity items in glass, for glass companies, and know of very few examples....
They appear regularly and are obviously often made by other companies.
Owens Illinois: glass figure (Venus), Bust of Owens, promotional printed tumblers.
Hoskins Rose, Paperweight in the form of a mirror.
Moncrieff: Paperweight, and one they made themselves (http://www.ysartglass.com/Moncrieff/Images/MoncrieffInkad.jpg) Glass tubing acid etched Use Moncrieff Inks, a nice tie between two parts of one company.
Regularly see other items on eBay and always hotly contested, particularly American glass companies.
Paperweights are probably the most numerous type of promotional item but they are also commonly non-glass... see cut throat razor here http://www.ysartglass.com/Moncrieff/Moncrieffgauge1.htm (and paperweight). Moncrieff also provided steel tube cutters embossed with their advert - an essential tool for any of their Gauge Glass customers and thus a most appropriate form of advertising. They also marked every bit of tubing sold.
The point being that not only are these items relatively common, they are clearly out-sourced and not necessarily related to the companies products. The target being something that the recipient will want to keep and probably on display. No doubt there were companies specialising in such products and it is possible that the glassworks are even unaware who made the actual item.
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Thanks for your follow-up, Frank.
Prior to this ashtray, I was only aware of one other item. Thanks for the info, I learned something new, today. :)
Regards,
Marcus
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They are certainly hard to find and MIGHT get hotly contested.
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:spls:
I think the ashtray looks like one of those thingys for putting in the milk pan to stop milk boiling over. The bits that resemble depressions for fags are actually to let bubbles out from under the thing when in use.
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Frank — When I said rare, I was talking advertising ashtrays with moulded inscriptions.
Bernard C. 8)
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The glass milk thingies are usually by Solidex I think...