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Title: Crystal perfume bottle - Lenor or Lenox?
Post by: josordoni on September 08, 2007, 01:30:37 PM

Hi everyone - long time no speak!

Can anyone help with this signature?  You know how useless I am at signatures.... :ac1:

I thought this said Lenox when I bought it, just a nice piece of modern crystal.  But the only Lenox marks I can find are acid etched, not signed like this one.  And looking again, the last letter looks like an R not an X... but I can find nothing on Lenor (except the fabric softener  ::) )

Has anyone seen this mark before?

The perfume bottle is roughly 9.5 ins 235 mm tall including the stopper.

Bottle
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8413

Signature
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8412

Title: Re: Crystal perfume bottle - Lenor or Lenox?
Post by: Anne on September 08, 2007, 03:21:49 PM

Lynne, could the middle letter be r rather than n? Perhaps something like Lerou or Leroy?

Title: Re: Crystal perfume bottle - Lenor or Lenox?
Post by: josordoni on September 08, 2007, 03:34:05 PM

That's possible Anne, and the last letter might be V making Lerov, but I can't find anything for any of these either....

It's a nicely made piece, the airtwist in the stopper is attractive.  I'd quite like to know which part of the world it came from - I have found Czech and Chinese using the Lenox name, but neither of the marks match.

Title: Re: Crystal perfume bottle - Lenor or Lenox?
Post by: Bernard C on September 08, 2007, 03:44:06 PM

Lynne — I read it as Lenoir.

Bernard C.  8)

Title: Re: Crystal perfume bottle - Lenor or Lenox?
Post by: antiquerose123 on September 08, 2007, 04:01:56 PM

I have seen something like that and it is *LENOX*  ( I think) I am 100 % sure of the supposely spelling..as to whether it should be scripted, ot etched is another story..

For example:  http://www.someonespecial.com/cgi-bin/someone/19-780418.html

-antiquerose

Title: Re: Crystal perfume bottle - Lenor or Lenox?
Post by: josordoni on September 08, 2007, 04:06:46 PM

Hi antiquerose, yes, I saw that one, but I can't see any sign of any form of signature, just a label.  The cursive signature on this doesn't feel very Chinese to me.

The Czech Lenox pieces have an acid engraved block signature. 

Title: Re: Crystal perfume bottle - Lenor or Lenox?
Post by: josordoni on September 08, 2007, 04:08:08 PM

Quote from: Bernard C on September 08, 2007, 03:44:06 PM

Lynne — I read it as Lenoir.

Bernard C.  8)

Hi Bernard... could be.  Do you know of any glassworks using this name?

Title: Re: Crystal perfume bottle - Lenor or Lenox?
Post by: antiquerose123 on September 08, 2007, 04:15:49 PM

Could it be *someone* just used an engraver on it, to try to mislead  :huh: as signed....I had some small glasses that were signed too -- but it just seemed too shakey of signature.

- antiquerose123

Title: Re: Crystal perfume bottle - Lenor or Lenox?
Post by: Bernard C on September 09, 2007, 02:28:24 AM

Quote from: josordoni

... Do you know of any glassworks using this name?

No, but Lenoir seems a reasonable possibility, worth adding to the pot.

Bernard C.  8)

Title: Re: Crystal perfume bottle - Lenor or Lenox?
Post by: Della on September 09, 2007, 07:15:26 AM

There is a Lenois, in France. They are retalilers and manufacturers, but I can't find anything else out about them.
http://annuaire.idverre.net/4DACTION/annu_detail_ets_E/3903

Title: Re: Crystal perfume bottle - Lenor or Lenox?
Post by: josordoni on September 09, 2007, 07:59:26 AM

Thanks Della!  All these are possibilities, it will have to stay unsolved until someone gets another piece very similar that has a clearer signature.

As Antiquerose says, there is always the possibility of it being someone just signing their name either to personalise it, or to deceive.

But if they want to deceive, why not use a name we can all recognise!   :hb2: