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Title: Could this be a design of Helena Tynell?
Post by: Coby on September 15, 2007, 10:44:50 PM

Hi, need your advice, could this jug be a design of Helena Tynell? I can't find any similar example  :huh:
Height = 27 cm

Thank you!

http://www.marktplaats.nl/index.php?url=http%3A//antiek-kunst.marktplaats.nl/antiek-vazen/115708816-tynell-finland-waterkan-strak-model-paars.html (http://www.marktplaats.nl/index.php?url=http%3A//antiek-kunst.marktplaats.nl/antiek-vazen/115708816-tynell-finland-waterkan-strak-model-paars.html)

Title: Re: Could this be a design of Helena Tynell?
Post by: Della on September 15, 2007, 10:57:11 PM

Hi Coby,
I don't believe this to be a Tynell piece. It is not depicted in Designlasin hintakirja and I haven't come accross it anywhere else either. The base has an Aseda look to it. to me, but I cannot be sure. If I am wrong, I am sure that I will be corrected.  ;)
I have seen this piece and was not convinced with the atrribution, so I didn't bid on it.

Title: Re: Could this be a design of Helena Tynell?
Post by: Ivo on September 16, 2007, 05:31:30 AM

Definitely not Tyness but Iittala all right. I have a full set of clear tumblers with the same foot and those are "I-lasi" by Sarpaneva - according to the box.

Title: Re: Could this be a design of Helena Tynell?
Post by: Coby on September 17, 2007, 09:18:19 AM

Thank you both for your help.

Ivo, so it's quite sure that it concerns a design of Timo Sarpaneva? Up to now I can't find this model in any book or catalogue as a design of Sarpaneva.

Title: Re: Could this be a design of Helena Tynell?
Post by: Frank on September 17, 2007, 11:08:36 AM

Quote from: Ivo on September 16, 2007, 05:31:30 AM

according to the box.

Which is potentially a source that could be wrong. But failing other evidence, the description must be probably (or possibly) Sarpaneva. So no, you cannot be quite sure without further corroboration.

Title: Re: Could this be a design of Helena Tynell?
Post by: Ivo on September 17, 2007, 01:13:25 PM

 :angel:

Title: Re: Could this be a design of Helena Tynell?
Post by: Frank on September 18, 2007, 09:31:03 AM

Manufacturers do make mistakes in printing designer names, I have had several instances on Scotland's Glass taken from catalogues but corrected by the designers.

Although, as Marcus can attest, even the designers memory can play tricks and two designers confirm producing the same design  :D

There is no certainty, everything is in flux.

Title: Re: Could this be a design of Helena Tynell?
Post by: Ivo on September 18, 2007, 10:57:13 AM

Not quite sure why you insist that Iittala routinely misattributes their own production but the tumblers are called KIPPIS (Cheers) 2099 and were in production from 1975-1979 - according to the Iittala book.

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*Iittala 125 years of Finnish glass, Complete History with all Designers, Designmuseo Helsinki 2006.

Title: Re: Could this be a design of Helena Tynell?
Post by: Frank on September 18, 2007, 08:12:44 PM

I wasn't Ivo, just a general remark about the reliability of factory printed materials in general.

Course, in this case you just added a second attribution source... does that name the designer too, or did they have the same box?  >:D :angel: