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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Ohio on September 16, 2007, 03:55:54 AM
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Hi. Picked these two items up the other day & one I found on BlackPoppy's site & the other I cannot find at all. Are there any attributions to either of these two? Any assistance is appreciated. Thanks, Ken
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You've only posted your fishy bowl! It's a Markhbeinn Poisson Volant, which may or may not be in green uranium glass. see his girlfriend (http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/1markhbeinn/markhbeinn.html) on Pamela's site
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Thanks Christine for the info...its very much appreciated. Ken
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Certainly does appear to be an Inwald "Poisson Volant" centrepiece, pattern number 9830, with frog, p/n 12865 and bowl 12868.
So questions, does the fish have a peg foot or are frog and centrepiece one piece?
What is the diameter of the bowl in cms?
TIA,
Marcus
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Marcus — Yes, the fish statuette does have a peg fitting into the separate flower holder, although I once saw one glued in.
Marcus & Ken — See this topic (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,17431.0.html) for discussion on the missing plinth.
Bernard C. 8)
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There are a number of variants of this pattern, I have seen examples where the frog was a smaller mushroom shaped moulding integral to to the float bowl rather than being a separate item (in both cases the fish was separate and with a peg foot); I always felt this to be earlier as it more closely resembles the illustration in Markhbeinn. The pages from the 1937 Markhbeinn catalogue I have seen (thanks to S. Geiselberger) do not show any plinth with the set.
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My fishless :cry: bowl has an integral flower block and it glows like crazy. Mind you the Murano cockerel doesn't seem to mind the lack of fish
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Just what was fashionable. I wouldn't expect a European catalogue to necessarily show plinths, as plinthed centrepiece sets were very much a British style. It is instructive to see the photographs of Pamela's fascinating museum, as there is hardly a plinth to be seen, yet many, perhaps most, of those sets sold in Britain would have been supplied with plinths.
Bernard C. 8)
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Did the Czech firm Inwald produce car mascots (radiator ornaments) in the manner they produced flower frogs? I have a green satin glass fish, identical to the fish shown in this forum. The difference, however, is that a metal cap on mine is affixed to its undersidr. It is more like a car mascot than a flower frog. My tentative hypothesis (purely a guess) is that perhaps Inwald produced car mascots in the 1930's or so, but when car mascots grew out of favor Inwald used the same molds to produce flower frogs. In any case, the green satin glass flower frogs by Inwald are identical to my green satin glass fish with the metal undermount suitable for mounting on a radiator. Any thoughts on this?
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:hi: and welcome to GMB!
A detailed picture of yours would be nice indeed :)
There are similar but different fishes that came with this Inwald centrepiece - two for comparison are here: (scroll down)
http://pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/02733.html
I've got a third one in green which is different again :usd:
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Hi Pamela - Here are photos of my green satin glass fish that appears to be identical to the ones Inwald used for flower frogs. Note that mine has a metal attachment firmly mounted on its underside which leads me to believe that it is a car mascot (radiator ornament) rather than a flower frog component. The attachment is rather heavy, is firmly affixed to the fish, and appears to be factory installed. What do you think?
http://www.pixclix.com/cdnoblin/Car-Mascot-002.JPG
http://www.pixclix.com/cdnoblin/Car-Mascot-005.JPG
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Hi Again Pamela - After I posted the photos of my green satin glass fish (which I initially thought might be an authentic vintage car mascot), I ran across a site which leads me to seriously question my "car mascot" hypothesis. Compare this glass fish (which is described in its accompanying narrative as a modern Czech piece), with the flower frog fish discussed elsewhere in this forum:
http://www.mascot-mania.co.uk/
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Oops . . . the URL didn't access the correct photo. Go into http://www.mascot-mania.co.uk/ and type in Czechosovakia in the search feature at the top of the page. That will bring you to "Accessory Mascots, Fakes and Reporoductions." Please look at the photos and the accompanying narrative, and let me know what you think about this. Thanks.
http://www.mascot-mania.co.uk/
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As suggested, your fish is one of the Poisson Volant figures, originally produced by Inwald. These have a ground bung/ stopper type base to fit into a glass frog and were certainly in production in the mid to late 30s and also for many years after the war. I can't say whether or not they were ever offered as car mascots - I suspect yours may have just become separated from its bowl so the owner fashioned a stand/ holder for it. The example on the website you linked to (http://www.mascot-mania.co.uk/orphanage.html?/zzsalmon.html&19orphan57) is described as a fake because of the spurious Warren-Kessler mark. I would also disagree with the comments made that it is 'worthless' and 'mass produced'. Flower frogs are quite collectable, and there's no significant difference in production technique between these figures and the glass mascots that fetch thousands.
Equally, it's not entirely beyond the realms of possibility that these were used by some as mascots back in the day, it's just that I've seen no evidence for it. In fact, many of the Lalique and Sabino figures that are always described as car mascots were also available as paperweights/ stand alone figures. It seem that the premium associated with vintage automobilia means that they are all now catalogued as mascots, whether or not they were ever mounted on a car...
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Hi Mosquito - Thanks very much for your prompt and informative response to my recent post regarding the Inwald Poisson Volant figurine.