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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Littleblackhen on November 12, 2007, 09:33:35 PM
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I bought this bowl from ebay on the vague feeling that it looked like a Stuart design. Now I have it to hold I don't think it is Stuart, but I don't have any idea what it might be. Can anyone help with a maker and an idea of the age please?
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Harrach maybe, there's a vase and a bowl on p 67 Collectible Bohemian Glass 1880-1940, Truitt and Truitt that have the same wide bent green blobby things (that's a technical term ;) ). c 1900 and known to be Harrach.
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I went googling and found this page of Harrach glass, and I see the similarity, but I am not sure :huh:
http://home.earthlink.net/~verredart1/glass/Harrach.html
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On this page the Stuart vase 6690 is a very similar shape, but the trails are different.
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/library/lib2ab.htm
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Hmm, can't tell in my book if they're peacock eyes or not.
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Thanks for your help :)
Does anyone else have any views on this bowl? I can't tell if it is a lovely old piece or a modern piece. It is nicely made, but quite light in weight.
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Try these links for further insight or not ;D
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1901.msg50797.html#msg50797 (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1901.msg50797.html#msg50797)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,76.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,76.0.html)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5758.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5758.0.html)
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Thanks for the links, I have read through and looked at loads of photos now :)
This one was the nearest to mine, although still not quite the same.
http://www.glassfairs.co.uk/peacock2.htm
It does say it hasn't been attributed though.
Most of the threads discuss peacock feather trails, whereas mine look more like tadpoles ;D
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I am coming around now to thinking that this might well be a Harrach bowl. Is there anywhere I could find out for sure? Any Harrach specialists I could email pics to?
Is there anyone who could give me an idea of the value of this bowl, as I want to resell it, but don't have any idea of what price to put on it, please?
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* bump *
... and cross reference here (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3339.msg25958.html#msg25958)
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This peacock eye trail style bowl with dab drops appears in a 1909 Harrods Catalogue on a page with a number of vases with similar curved drops and trails, all in different shapes.
This catalogue is featured in The Journal of the Glass Association volume 5 1997 for reference.
The code in the Harrods catalogue is CH18048.
There are three vases on that page that correspond with numbers in the Stuart Pattern books excluding the CH prefix, which Nigel confirmed for me on another thread. They are featured in Gulliver's Vol 4.
The code number of this vase fits in with the numbers given on the other vases including the three which have been matched , one of which is CH 18080 for example.
It's hard to read the sizes but I think they read 6" , 8", 10" and 12" relating to width I presume.
There is another page in that catalogue where all the codes have been matched to Stuart as well.
m
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Just to correct my post above, I think the size in the catalogues could correspond to height rather than width as the tall vases all have their heights in, therefore it would not conform if the bowl shapes were suddenly given in diameter widths.
Also, another addition to my post.
It is very hard to be sure absolutely sure with these things, but I need to mention that the bowl Christine referred to earlier in the thread that featured in Truitt's Collectible Bohemian Glass 1880-1940 page 67 (4"high with the same trails as OP's bowl), identified as Harrach, appears to be the same or very similar in shape to a vase in that same Harrods catalogue page (reference source as above) with a code of CH 18081. This catalogue number appears to fit in with Stuart pattern numbers for this range. Although 3 other vases on that page have been cross checked and matched with Stuart pattern numbers (by Nigel for me on another thread) and designs, this was not one of them.
In the Harrods catalogue (1909 version) it appears as 5" in height v the Truitts version of 4". I do believe that Stuart Peacock eye trail style vases came in a variety of sizes, so I suppose it is possible that Harrods were only supplying that one size of that shape that year.
Caveat - I have been told in a previous thread that Truitt's is very accurate and that many of the Harrach pieces were photographed in their depository at Harrach.
m