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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: eyebath on November 25, 2007, 04:56:27 PM
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Hi
These two (large water jug and small butter dish) have the same pattern - vine leaves and grapes. Can anyone advise re age, origin, value or anything else of interest? I'm guessing USA, as butter dish is long and narrow - right shape for a US "stick" of butter.
(When my other half asked her American friend how much a "cup of butter" was supposed to be - in a recipe, where exact quantities are somewhat important - she got the answer "oh a cup of butter would be about a stick". :) Whatever happened to weights? Seems the American housewife knew exactly how much a stick or a cup was, but didn't use pounds or ounces so much! Oops - off-topic)
Cheers
Andrew
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I can't see anything that looks right here http://www.ddoty.com/index.html (http://www.ddoty.com/index.html). What colour is the base glass - you can usually tell from the bottom or be looking through it? And can we have a picture of the base and possibly the irridescence in daylight
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They look like Indiana Harvest Gold to my eye, but I am sure that Glen can confirm or deny ;)
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http://www.ddoty.com/impgrpwatwine.html
Found an identical patterned jug above. I would guess mine is marigold! :)
Shame the tumblers did not come with it.
Andrew
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Almost, more likely contemporary Imperial grape because of the butter dish http://www.ddoty.com/newimpgrape.html (http://www.ddoty.com/newimpgrape.html)
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Yes - I just saw that. Surprises me because the previous owner collected stuff for over 50 years and was not one to waste his money on modern repro stuff, and usually knew what was what. But nobody is an expert in everything.
Thanks for alerting me to David Doty's site.
Andrew.
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...and I was going to post a new topic asking about a pair of what I thought were single rose vases but thanks to D.Doty I now know to be two marigold Octagon pattern decanters without their stoppers.
Hey-ho - maybe they'll go on ebay
Andrew
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You could also try looking here www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/home.html Glen is a member here and really know's her stuff
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Andrew - your butter dish is undoubtedly Contemporary Carnival Glass made by Imperial. The pitcher is also Imperial and might be Contemporary but could easily be an original Classic item (Imperial). I suggest you examine both items carefully to see if you can find the Imperial logo (most likely on the base). It would probably be a letter I with a G over it (there were some different logos but that's a long story and I don't have time right now). The logo was used by Imperial on their Contemporary (Re-issue) Carnival.
BTW, to confirm, the pattern is Imperial Grape.
(And thank you Sue :))
Glen
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Glen
Cannot find a logo on the jug anywhere (but here's a pic of the base) and did find one on the butter dish - see second pic.
Thanks
Andrew
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There you go then, Andrew, proof of the era of each of your two items. The water pitcher is Imperial Grape from the Classic, early era of production, and the butterdish is classed as Contemporary Carnival from the later production of Imperial. Both are considered to be the Imperial Grape pattern.
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Glen
Thanks so much for the help. As you may have read elsewhere, this was all part of a job lot I came by and onlywanted one specialist item from. Any idea as to likely value and best way to dispose of these two? (Or is ebay the answer to all such questions these days? Apart from the 'for sale' board here, of course!)
Regards
Andrew
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Ah but even reissued - not repro, there's subtle difference - can't be newer than 1983, because that's when Imperial closed
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The butter dish shape is certainly not a reproduction, nor is it a re-use of any of Imperial's earlier moulds. The butterdish is classed as Contemporary Carnival from the later production of Imperial (circa 1960s). The pattern most certainly IS a re-issue. The IG logo dates from that time.
Actually Imperial ceased a decade before 1983. In the early 1970s it was sold to Lennox Inc. Logos on the glass from that era are LIG. Then in 1981 the company was sold to Arthur Lorch, and yet another logo appeared on the glass -ALIG. One more change before bankruptcy when it went to Robert Stahl, and the doors at the Imperial factory closed in 1985. There was a final flutter (Maroon & Pioneer Enterprises) for a couple of years, but then that was it.
Value? Ah well Christine has already pointed you to Dave's site. Values are a movable feast of course. Neither item is a big bucks piece, though. :-\ But on the bright side, there are plenty of Imperial collectors and the butterdish, though newer, is possibly less available than the marigold water pitcher.
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Thanks, Glen. I think I'll leave it there. Other (carnival) glass stuff to photograph and find out about ...
Andrew