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Title: Baccarat weight
Post by: RAY on December 01, 2007, 09:29:38 PM

can someone please send me a photo or post one on here of a antique Baccarat weight any will do , i'm looking for a shot of the base and a profile view....

thanks

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: alexander on December 02, 2007, 12:02:02 AM

Hi, usually a google or ebay search will yield plenty.

www.selman.com also have a good mix of antique and modern, their auction catalogues go back a few years with
many antique french weights.

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: RAY on December 02, 2007, 12:14:43 AM

hi alexander

most of selmans weight's only show the top view i'm mainly after the profile veiw, and most on google don't show the profile square on.....

i got the stag weight that you bid on, and i'm 99.99% sure it's a amber flashed engraved Baccarat and not a Bohemian one

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: alexander on December 02, 2007, 12:19:50 AM

Ah...:) That one.

I wasn't sure, hence the lack of will to fight for it ;)

But Baccarat did cross my mind when I saw it.

I'm not very well versed in the flashed antique weights, the books I have only show a couple of weights and not profiles.

It is a very nice one. Can you post some pics of it?

Thanks

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: RAY on December 02, 2007, 12:29:12 AM

only got these one's at the mo

click image

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/th_Picture096.jpg) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/Picture096.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/th_Picture095.jpg) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/Picture095.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/th_Picture101.jpg) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/Picture101.jpg)

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: KevinH on December 02, 2007, 02:47:05 AM

Hi Ray,

I had some trouble with emails and had not replied tp the message you sent. Unfortunately, I have no photos of any Baccarat flashed & engraved weights that show a profile view.

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: Frank on December 02, 2007, 01:42:47 PM

I would expect better engraving from Baccarat but no idea if they did things to a lower budget too.

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: RAY on December 02, 2007, 01:47:01 PM

it's better in life than in the photo Frank

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: Leni on December 02, 2007, 09:48:16 PM

Ray, I've got an antique Baccarat weight, but it's been re-polished by Bob Hall.  Is it any use to you?  If so I'll attach pics tomorrow. 

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: RAY on December 02, 2007, 10:18:06 PM

yes please Leni  :)

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: Leni on December 03, 2007, 11:59:10 AM

Here you go then, Ray  :)

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: tropdevin on December 03, 2007, 01:26:10 PM

Hi Ray

I have a concave base, amber flashed weight with a swan engraved. That is in a rather coarse style, and I thought it might be Bohemian. But the specific gravity and both short and long wave UV (checked by Kev H) matched antique Baccarat weights.  I am dubious about using profiles to help with attribution unless you are fairly confident the weight has not been repolished (ie there are original blocking marks on the surface).  The stag motif was fairly popular in 'Bohemia', so that might be the source of yours.  Does it feel like dense lead crystal?

Below is the top view and profile of the swan weight.

Alan.

(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w155/rosismum/swan.jpg) (http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w155/rosismum/swan2.jpg)

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: RAY on December 03, 2007, 05:10:38 PM

thanks Leni and Alan

the profile is the same as yours Alan, and it still has block marks on the glass so it's not been repolished, what colour do it glow under normal UV black light Alan?

thanks

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: tropdevin on December 03, 2007, 08:24:24 PM

Hi Ray

With long wave UV (black light), you just get the indication that it is high percentage lead glass - that is to say, a rather faint bluish tinge.

UV fluorescence is an extremely complicated subject.  For example, as you add more lead to a basic glass mix, the blue colour gets stronger, then as you add more and more, it gets fainter again.  And the intensity depends upon other things...according to the experts, the final colour and intensity of fluorescence depend not just on the constituents of the glass, but can also be affected by the annealing process, and the furnace gases (!) - hence I am very uneasy about making anything other than generalisations based on UV fluorescence. It is a useful tool, but the 'it's dusky pink, so it must be St Louis' type of approach is a bit optimistic, I feel, to say the least.

Alan

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: RAY on December 03, 2007, 09:31:56 PM

thanks Alan

i would test my weight will black light, but i've just dropped it , and it will not turn back on ::)

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: Lustrousstone on December 04, 2007, 07:19:39 AM

At least it's only the light you've dropped

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: Leni on December 04, 2007, 12:56:36 PM

Yeah, when I read that I gasped, 'cos I thought he meant the weight at first  :o  ::)

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: RAY on December 05, 2007, 04:41:09 PM

LOL nope it's still in one piece, i've been looking for a similar weight on line and come up with nothing, are these weights rare or are they not so popular

Title: Re: Baccarat weight
Post by: tropdevin on December 05, 2007, 05:15:01 PM

Hi Ray

These weights are relatively rare, but they also seem to be rather a 'special interest' area, so there are not many sales or buyers. The few I have seen sell in the past few years have, as I recall, been in the £150 - £300 range (or equivalent in US $)

Alan