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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: johnfandmaryp on December 08, 2007, 11:54:00 AM
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Hi all,
Can anyone give me any information about this clear glass vase/trough. It's about 8.5" across by 5" front to back by 5.5" tall and is, I presume, pressed glass. The band across the middle is frosted and the bottom band is textured and frosted. Thought I'd check before deciding what to do with it!
main view ~ http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8869
side view ~ http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8868
bottom ~ http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8867
top view ~ http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8866
Thanks in anticipation, John.
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My daughter-in-law's dad has one in Uranium green. (I tried to find out who made it, but couldn't :( )
He keeps bananas in it! ;D
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... He keeps bananas in it! ;D
Thanks Leni ~ problem now is that I've already got a bowl for my bananas!! ;D
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The shape remind's me of a cheese coaster :-\
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The shape remind's me of a cheese coaster :-\
Thanks Sue ~ I thought that too! The reasons I decided against it were:
a) the front and back aren't parallel and slope in towards the bottom. I've never actually been up close to a cheese coaster/stand, but sort of presumed that the sides would be vertical?
b) the size ~ wouldn't it be bigger if it were a cheese coaster
c) I've never come across a glass cheese coaster before!
:huh: John.
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It has similarities to Sowerby's 2617 fruit bowl from the late 1930s, although the catalogue illustration doesn't seem to have frosting. The dimensions for this are 8.75 x 4.75 x 5.5 in
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I'm not absolutely certain, but I have an idea, that something like this was once used by a UK chocolates manufacturer as a box, with a metal lid, for Christmas assortments.
Regards,
Marcus
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Thanks for those suggestions both ~ much appreciated as always.
It's still standing beside my desk at the moment ~ will explore the avenues you've pointed down and let you know if I find anything.
Cheers, and Happy New Year! John.
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It looks very familiar and I think we may have made a few at Sowerbys in my time but not enough to remember the pattern number. However, 2617 sounds very likely. Sowerbys did a lot of acid frosting pre WW2, when this would have been introduced but none post-war, at least when I was there (sandblasting was a crude substitute for a few patterns). So any examples of this thing which I might have seen would not have been frosted.
There was a huge department where acid work would have been done, still called "the painters" but only used for furnace brick storage and general junk when I was there.
Adam D.
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Hi Adam,
Would that have been called "the painters" as the method of frosting/matte finishing the glass was etching salts which were painted on?
Resist acid-etching was a very expensive process, in terms of labour.
Regards,
Marcus
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Adam, I'm constantly astonished at how much you can pull from the depths of your memory. :) Armed with your pattern number I searched Glen's Sowerby catalogues on CD (vol 2) and found the 2617 pattern, which looks very similar to John's except that the 2617 has vertical ribbing on the sides whereas John's is frosted panels like on the front. The catalogue gives the Sowerby dimensions as 8¾" x 4¾" x 5½" so is a similar size to John's. I can't find John's exact design on the Sowerby catalogue CD. Perhaps either Adam or Glen can add more info.
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I did look at this query back in December, and I went through pretty much the same thought process that is set out above. Yes, it does look like the 2617 posy trough, but there are significant differences, as has been pointed out. So I didn't post back then, as I didn't have the answer (or so I thought) and I hoped someone else may have :)
The more I research European (Carnival) glass, the more I realise how many pattern look-alikes and copies there are. I suspect that's what we might have here. And do you remember this one too?
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,10273.msg81761.html#msg81761
Maybe this trough is Sowerby. But maybe it isn't. Perhaps it's a close copy by another maker.
GT
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Anne - I can't take credit for thinking of the number 2617 - it came from Christine. I simply thought it sounded plausible for an Art Deco type item, all Sowerbys number being chronological. My memory on this one is very hazy and I haven't a (first hand) clue as to the actual number. I'm not even 100% sure I've seen one in the flesh.
Marcus - As a naiive (sp?), young newcomer I simply accepted that the area was called "The Painters". It was probably a few years later that the penny dropped that it probably referred to painting things like the panels on the subject of this thread with a hydrofluoric acid/flour concoction and not simply painting the offices or factory railings! Remember that at that stage I hadn't seen any acid processing - that came later at Davidsons, and I didn't have much to do with it even there. As a thoroughly nasty process it was done (Davidsons) at the far end of the site where the effluent could go straight into a tributary of the Tyne!
Adam D.
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It is surely safer, quicker and cheaper to paint on resist and dunk in an acid tank.
I recall someone experimenting with etching and they found it much easier to paint resist on - painting with an acid paste being very difficult and only suited to bordered areas as inevitably there was spread.