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Title: Large Ruby gilded Goblet, with coat of arm's.
Post by: Sue C on December 17, 2007, 08:44:55 PM: I have looked for this coat of arm's every where, can anyone identify it or it's maker? there is a mark to the base, maybe lower case r r s.
It is 10 1/2 ins tall.
Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Large Ruby gilded Goblet, with coat of arm's.
Post by: Frank on December 17, 2007, 08:51:35 PM: Arms do not look English... so you need a heraldry site and terms in French and German.
Title: Re: Large Ruby gilded Goblet, with coat of arm's.
Post by: Sue C on December 17, 2007, 08:57:58 PM: Thanks Frank, i will see what i an turn up.
BTW, I tried to post another little pot, but got a message saying upload file is full, please ask a moderator, ????
Title: Re: Large Ruby gilded Goblet, with coat of arm's.
Post by: Anne on December 18, 2007, 12:23:35 AM: That'll be me (in my Tech Support hat) then Sue, as Mods don't have access to that bit of the works. I've sorted the problem and you should be able to upload again now. ;)

BTW Sue, have a look here http://www.heraldica.org/elsewhere.htm - there may be something that will help you ID the arms.
Title: Re: Large Ruby gilded Goblet, with coat of arm's.
Post by: antiquerose123 on December 18, 2007, 07:23:36 PM: that is beautiful Sue C.......

There is a book that you can get from the library that has to do with the Coat-of-Arms, and research. This book was most helpful to me when I was researching the Silverware (lion passant, etc...) we have from 1750. I forget the name of the book...something like *Fairbarns* or something like that. It also had a break down on what items meant in a coat of arms. Eg. A gloved hand (with tassles) was referred to as a cubit hand, gloved and cuffed...

I also had contacted both Leeds Museum, and the V & A (Victoria and Albert) Museum when I was I was researching this silverware. They will know the name of the book that I am referring to....and like anything....IF you perhaps sent a pic to them, they *might* be able to help you more.....or at the very least, direct you to the name of the this book to obtain from your library (research material)......just ask for a curator there......

Hope that helps some....

I will dig around here, as I know I have the exact name of this book somewhere here in my papers.... :spls:
Title: Re: Large Ruby gilded Goblet, with coat of arm's.
Post by: antiquerose123 on December 18, 2007, 07:29:19 PM: This is the book that I am referring to Sue C.......Fairbairn's book of crests of the Families of Great Britain & Ireland. Vol 1 Holt p244 you can get from the library....and here are some other sites:

http://www.fleurdelis.com/bookstore.htm

http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/links/herrefs.shtml

http://www.heraldry.ws/coafaq.html

http://www.ceu.hu/medstud/manual/SRM/biblio.htm

http://www.heraldrytoday.co.uk/heraldry_books.htm

http://www.hagsoc.org.au/main/index.php?page=heraldry_books

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~sfreer/coafreer.html
Title: Re: Large Ruby gilded Goblet, with coat of arm's.
Post by: Sue C on December 19, 2007, 03:13:58 PM: Thanks for all the suggestions everyone, i had a mail sugesting there may be a Scotish / French connection, so i have mailed the Scotish Heraldic Society, and see what i get back if anything ??
Title: Re: Large Ruby gilded Goblet, with coat of arm's.
Post by: alexander on December 20, 2007, 12:04:42 AM: The type of crown in this shield can indicate a noble, possibly from france, italy, spain, netherlands.

I looked around the net, most british shields I found used helms instead of crowns,
not that this excludes Scotland in any way.

The cherubs are supposed to be bearers of glad tidings.

http://www.fleurdelis.com/meanings.htm

Hope this helps some.
Title: Re: Large Ruby gilded Goblet, with coat of arm's.
Post by: Ivo on December 20, 2007, 08:24:08 AM: not wishing to rain on your party but chances are that the heraldry in this piece is fictional. The work looks Italian, btw.