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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: Springhead on December 29, 2007, 09:20:49 PM
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Hello everybody
Nice discussion board you have here.
Here is a link an item in my store at Ruby Lane
http://www.rubylane.com/shops/murano-glass/item/17
I have so far seen at least two instances (at some point I may be able to remember where) of this vase (one was in yellow) being attributed to Barovier.
You would be inclined to think that was made by Ercole Barovier if I didn't have one with the Galliano Ferro label... heh....
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feel free to use the images
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This is a very helpful post. Fratelli Toso did a bull's eye murrine hat vase very much like GF's vase. A red, yellow, and white FT vase is pictured on page 182 of Pina's Fratelli Toso (also in her Italian Glass book). I had seen a couple of vases like yours before and had assumed they were just FT vases of different colors. It is great to get the correct attribution.
The murrines do look a lot like Barovier-Toso's dorico, so I can understand someone misattributing the vase if they did not know GF did the work.
Anita
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The next question becomes: where did Pina get her attribution? Did her example have a label?
I would think that more than one company made these little hats.
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Yeah... Laura
That is a good question
I don't have that book but the few Pina
books I do have don't impress me much
heh...
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Can anybody scan that page in Pina's book and post it.
I'd like to know if she was guessing the attribution.
heh...
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Please don't, as a scan will be a breach of Pina's copyright and the board's rules on such posts, so would be deleted immediately by a Moderator.
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I'm no Philadelphia lawyer
but it seems to me that scanning one part of a page would
fall under the category of "fair use"
heh...
I wonder if Pina got permissions to reproduce the images of the labels she has in her books
heh...
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I can answer the question to whether the bull's eye murrine hat vase has a label that shows. No, it does not. The vase in the book is structurally different than the GF vase. It has five rows of red and lattimo murrines and it appears to have nine columns. The GF vase appears to have fewer. The FToso vase in Pina's book is 3.5" tall. The photo was provided courtesy of Skinner.
I own three of Leslie Pina's books. I have learned a lot from her work... and a lot more from the foundation her books provided. I dealt with her one time and found her to be very friendly and accommodating. I whole-heartedly recommend her Fratelli Toso and Archimede Seguso books to anyone interested in learning about the work of these two companies. I have them with me anytime I am shopping for Murano.
Anita
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I think Springhead is being a bit harsh on Pina. I've got six Pina books and I'd be lost without them. The Fifities book had some problems, but, as far as I can make out, she corrected them in Italian Glass, which shows glass I can actually afford to buy, and in the Seguso and Toso books. Her Scandinavian books are essential to me, again as the other books tend to show only glass way out of my price range and are narrowly focussed. I'd love to have a full range of catalogues from Scandinavia, but until that happens, I'll rely on Pina. She's also a very good person to deal with, BTW, although I've not had a great deal of contact with her. I would hesitate to say she's wrong, as, as Laura says, likely more than one company produced these hats. I would imagine Skinner agreed with the attribution, or vice versa.
It's interesting to compare the pictures (from the Pina book and from Springhead) side by side, as Springhead did with the elephants. Which one do people prefer?
David
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agreed... erring on the side of caution is probably the best course
as far as the books go... they are good references, my perspective is from seeing only the first two...
David... every really great piece of Italian glass I ever bought I paid less than $20.oo for...
You have to know where to shop... heh...
Check the Martinuzzi tea caddy... I paid $4.oo for it at a flea market.