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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: RAY on January 24, 2008, 08:58:09 PM
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just got this pair, they measures 6" and 5" high, the bodys are hollow blown , covered in gold leaf, the body have a pattern of which reminds me of apple lattice tart , i've been through all my italian glass books and only found one pattern like this which is a venini piece designed by fulvio bianconi , if you have the book , it's italian glass murano.milan 1930-1070 by prestel, on page 92 in the shape of a glove or hand
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Newer...
Possibly Italian...
Very poor quality...
Not Venini
Hope this helped.
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P.S.... His family does not take kindly to his name being used in conjunction with such items, and rightly so... It will be on the internet and available to search engines. Do not be surprised if you hear from them... heh...
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Why would Bianconi's family object to questions being asked? Ray, who has a very good eye for glass, is only mooting a possibility, not making a claim
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I think Springhead is making a point that the family had been making trouble about using the Bianconi name before.
I was actually 1 of the people they contacted a while back because I listed a piece on Ebay that I said looked in the Forato Style, like Bianconi. They contacted Ebay and closed my auction. There was a big deal about it, and we had talked about it before on the board too. Im sure if you search for it you will find the topics.
I havent heard of anything like that happening recently. So I do think they are not looing on Ebay or searching like they were in the past.
On the figures, they look like Avem pieces, but the same have been reproduced recently in Murano.
So, hard to know if they are new or old. Personally I have kept away from them for that reason. Unless they have a label I won buy them.
(nothing against your pieces)
Same problem with the pieces listed as Poli and Seguso that I have personally seen at the Mall.
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Below is a newer Murano chicken I bought for my sister.
Here is a Bianconi Chicken...
http://www.barovier.it/novecento/animali/anim_30.htm
I have also seen one in black pasta vetro somewhere.
The style of fighting chickens posted
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180088516596
is a common theme in very inexpensive Chinese imports. Copies of high quality Japanese bronzes...
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springhead, why are they poor quality? it would of taken some time to make these as they have a hollow body not just a lump of glass and theres 29 applied pieces not including the base so i would say there very good quality
i bet them fighting cocks in the ebay link are made in Thailand not china
thanks Christine for the comments
svazzo, on the golden cockerel there has been a label with gold lettering and a gold border, but to far gone to make out
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is it really small?
try and take a photo of it.
I might be able to tell you if its an older label.
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the best i can do, the bit's that are left is some of the gold foil, hard to photo due to the gold leaf in the glass, the outline measures about 15mm across
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from the pictures you posted of the label remnants i'd ~guess~ that it was a circular, plastic label. paper labels had the foil on top, so it would go before the paper and adhesive. this looks like the "foil" is attached to the adhesive outline which, to me, suggests a plastic label was originally present. don't know if that's helpful at all and it's only my opinion based on observations.
have a beautiful day,
bidda
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the best i can do, the bit's that are left is some of the gold foil, hard to photo due to the gold leaf in the glass, the outline measures about 15mm across
Ah, sorry, I thought the label was there but really worn down.
I misunderstood what you said.
Javier
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Why are they poor quality... you almost hit on it yourself. See how the tails are flattened. They were assembled on a table... probably hundreds at a time and put together later. Look at the eyes and mouth. That is not the work of an experienced glass worker.
The chicken I posted is very simple also, to be mass produced. But... It was probably made by the same guy or two who made the same things over and over all day long. Hot worked all at once.
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whats wrong with the eyes? there the same eye's that Venini put on there lattimo chickens,
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Look at the chickens half way down this page Ray....
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/library/lib4b.htm
I know the thumbs are small...
Yours are copies of them
very crude copies... I know you'll say they're the same.
The devil is in the details
heh...
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now why would i say there the same, which they are not, anyway i found them and Javier was right by saying Avem
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If Ray's cockerels are 'crude copies', then they're copies of a standard that I have not seen before.
Springhead, I'm sure it's just a 'typing thing' and you probably don't mean offense. Saying you think these items are crude copies/poor quality once was probably sufficient.
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It's true that these kinds of things were done by more than one company, and are still made today. However, the base and detail leads me in the AVEM direction as well. I certainly don't think there anywhere near the quality of the Chinese one springhead posted. These certainly look Italian to me, and of at least decent quality. I'd be happy to have them on my website, and I like to think that I'm at least reasonably picky.
Springhead: I enjoy your posts and your honesty, even if I don't always agree with your opinions. Thanks for posting all the photos. :angel: