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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Sharose on February 07, 2008, 05:37:29 AM
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Hello everyone,
I would be most grateful if anyone could assist me with an identification for this set of tumblers. I thought at first they might be Whitefriars but the general consensus on the WF board is no. Others I have seen do not have the solid red tumbler like mine does, instead they have a clear flint base. And I have never seen any with the very strong Uranium content on the green glass. Any opinions would be welcomed.
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Czech possibly. I bet that purple one changes colour between incandescent and fluorescent lighting :huh: - neodymium glass
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Thanks for the clues. I'll go google some more :)
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To save you a little time:
http://www.mindspring.com/~reyne/neowhatsis.html
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These have cropped up quite frequently. I have one of these in blue and one in a smaller size. I have never seen such a selection of colours before.
Opinion at Whitefriars.com generally refutes that they are Whitefriars and I think that's correct although they are not bad quality and the texturing is very similar apart from near the rim. Possibly the weight is also different.
Ravenhead has been suggested but I think they generally concentrated on clear glass and the patterning is slightly different to my Ravenhead Siesta tumblers.
They definitely bear no resemblance to the nasty Royal Castle vases and the texturing is quite different to Johansfors and definately superior to the Oberglass vases.
Googling won't help at this point. Once we know for sure if the purple (lavender) one changes to pink under flourescent light and is therefore neodymium glass. If so then that narrows the field down significantly.
Pete
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There have been some seen with an Italian (generic) label on them by one of the whitefriars.com members. They are quite a good quality, Emmi
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Hi people!
David,
Thanks for that link. It's very interesting. My purple glass turns blue under the fluoro light. I thought it was supposed to turn pink, or is that something else entirely? It's really a marked difference. I've been nipping from the study (fluoro) to the bathroom (incandescent) and then turning the bathroom light out and putting my blacklight on (nothing apart from the green one).
The family think I'm nuts...
You've got me checking them all now :huh: .
They're pressed glass with straw marks, 85 mm tall and weighing between 185 and 225 g. They're all a different weight, the purple (or blue ) one being the heaviest.
The green one is really very startling, and the red one shades from a very deep red to an orange near the top under the fluoro.
Thanks, Pete, as well. Emmi, the ones with the Italian sticker (I think) had a clear glass base to the red glass, so slightly different again. I'm confused (nothing new in that)
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DOH!
Please excuse me. I just re-read that article and of course it's meant to turn blue. (Not pink) How exciting. I have a piece of glass I never knew anything about. now all I have to do is learn to spell neodymium
This makes me suspect this set must be fairly good quality, even if the maker is still something of a mystery.
Sharon
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Lilac to pink is neodymium, which is spelt "neodymium" >:D
A good bet for it being Czech then - I'll give Marcus (www.sklounion.com) a nudge.
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Can I have a star for guessing it might be neodymium? Once you've seen it, its a very distinctive lilac
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If Lilac to pink is neodymium,
what is lilac to blue, please? Mine definitely turns blue.
And I think I've conquered the spelling, now
neodymium. ;)
Who gives out the stars? You can certainly have one from me
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Lilac to blue is neodymium, the old boy is confused (hello David :-* )
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Thanks,
Christine.
I'm allowed to be confused, as it's 1.00 am where I am.
The next question is going to be how did these interesting glasses turn up in an Op Shop (I think they're called charity shops in the UK :P)
in a suburb of Perth, Western Australia.
It's amazing what gets round.
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Lilac to blue is neodymium, the old boy is confused (hello David :-* )
He is, isn't he :hb1:
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I didn't mean you were confused (just having a cheeky dig at David). Glass was exported in huge quantities to Australia from all over Europe and probably still is so we are never surprised at what turns up in your op shops. Doesn't seem to have worked so well the other way round though. We see very little Australian glass in Europe.
Time you were in bed :sleep:
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Time you were in bed :sleep:
OK: ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :sleep:
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Yes,
I need to go to sleep.
Thanks very much for your help so far. I'll check back again tomorrow to see if there are any developments. :sleep:
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Hi,
Thanks for the nudge David, but I can't help on these, I have a smoke and blue glass of this type, with cut rims, and seemingly good quality.
Czech? Possibly, but what do we know of Scandinavian neodymium producers? I suggest that we keep all avenues open, one day we will fall over a label, and then it will all fall into place.
Regards,
Marcus
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I have several of these tumblers with Italian labels on them so the chance that they are Czech or Scandinavian is pretty small. I believe they were produced in the 60s/ 70s in Empoli by one of the many producers there. I even have a set with German stickers, obviously export labels. That they were inspired (great word, that) by Finnish glass from the same era is clear.
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Thanks Ivo,
So Empoli were neodymium producers too, which does go to show that we always need to keep an open mind when considering the origins of glass.
Regards,
Marcus
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Were Empoli also using uranium glass into the '60's and '70's then? I thought it was only the Scandinavians who continued using uranium for so long, because they used the 'closed cabinet' method, while most places changed to using other salts because of the dangers to glass workers in handling uranium :huh:
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Hello everyone,
Thanks very much for the comments.
You're saying these were made in the Empoli region of Italy in the late 1960s/early 1970s? Is that right?
Would the Uranium glass be of any significance? or is the neodymium the important part of this set.
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One of the previous topics about these tumblers is here:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4692.0.html
I believe there was at least one other but that's all I can find.
Well done Ivo
It's good to have these identified at last.
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In response to Leni's question - there's lots of 1960s/1970 Murano uranium stuff around, so why not mainland Italy.
To Sharon Neodymium and uranium glass both have their collectors, as does Italian glass, so who can judge the relative merits