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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: pamela on February 28, 2008, 08:48:59 PM
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A friend in UK has got this one made of porcelaine - any ideas?
Walther did not experiment with china.
Measurements are about 10 p.c. less than the glass vase which is normal if it originates from the same mould. (as far as I know :-\ )
TIA
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Better photos evidencing the craquelé of glaze and shape upon request :angel:
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Very interesting, no idea of maker though. There are a number of pressed glass patterns I've seen made in pottery, a ceramic vase very similar to Walther's Gibraltar pattern was made by Sylvac and I have a ceramic copy of Lalique's Ceylan pattern but have thus far been unable to find any information on it.
I suspect maybe a hobbyist or smaller pottery have taken a mould from an actual vase and made this for themselves, though this is just speculation.
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The Bagley Equinox vase was also reproduced in pottery in a blue lustre finished with gold (mother has one.)
Pamela that's fascinating, I hope you manage to find out more about it.
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An interesting area, Pamela, thank you for bringing it up.
Classic 1930s items have been copied. but closer to my area of research, vases by Jurnikl, and Brabec, were apparently copied by Thomas, amongst others... and I guess Jurnikl and Brabec have never received a brass farthing in royalties or fees...
It does depend on copyright and design legislation in different countries.
I know that Marks and Spencer were sued by a swimsuit designer for direct copies of her latest designs, but.. in some other countries, the mere translation of a design into a different material ie glass to ceramic is sufficient to protect a manufacturer or retailer, from legal action.
From a designer's point of view, this is deplorable, to the manufacturer, pure economic sense... no designer fee or royalty, an already proven design, and an interested market...
Are there more examples out there?
Regards,
Marcus
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Oh no! And there I was thinking I had ALL the colours! Now I have to look for a porcelain one, too :hb1:
Am I right in thinking the finer detail of the flowers on the base has been smoothed out?
I know she's not glass, but she's still lovely, IMHO :D
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Very interesting!
I have seen a few shapes of vases in Australian pottery dating from the 30s-early 50s period that copy the shapes of English "depression"/art deco glass, probably Bagley items. There's one in particular, a small vase with a top that flares out on both sides, that I have seen in both glass & pottery.
Australian pottery of this period was mostly slip moulded, so perhaps the local mould makers used the shapes of existing, & popular glassware as "inspiration" for their pottery moulds!
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I'm aware of several Carnival Glass patterns / shapes in pottery. Good Luck, Holly and Peacocks bowls and a couple of water pitchers too - some of them have been painted / decorated. Probably many more; I haven't studied the phenomenon - just casually observed along the way.
Glen
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Australian pottery of this period was mostly slip moulded, so perhaps the local mould makers used the shapes of existing, & popular glassware as "inspiration" for their pottery moulds!
This is certainly true, Marinka. When I spoke some years ago to Grace Cochrane of the Powerhouse Museum, my understanding of what she said was that the potteries were expert mould makers, and that Sydney potteries would judge the success of their designs by the speed with which they came back as a copy from Melbourne. So it's quite likely they made moulds from glass shapes as well.
My understanding is that when a mould is made from an original, there is some loss of crispness. That might be interesting to investigate with the porcelain Smetterling.
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Returning home from Denmark (Lise and Dan Andersen's collection to view): Thank you all so very much for your contributions! Very much appreciated!
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My understanding is that when a mould is made from an original, there is some loss of crispness. That might be interesting to investigate with the porcelain Smetterling.
It depends how it is done, if a positive master is made first then this can be adjusted to ensure a closer to the original but if done by hand the master would result in minute differences. Modern technology would scan the original and can copy through the glaze of pottery to the base. With pottery you can skip the positive and use a variety of materials but glass moulds must withstand the heat and the positive master has to be made first.