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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Germany => Topic started by: Gilead on March 25, 2008, 03:18:36 PM
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I found the vase with a bird cut in to both side of the vase on like a red shield this vase is very heavy, and stands 9ins high.
The glass is very thick would this have been made for some one as gift do you think, and have you any idea from where it as come England? are these one offs or made in the boat loads, first i have ever seen cheers
Steve
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Walther Driburg/ Annahütte and absolutely monstrous. imho....
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Ivo cheers
i take it you dont like this work then may i ask why and can you tell me if they do other glass beside this vase, please,
Steve
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sorry to me there are no redeeming features at all, not in terms of technique, design or quality. Annahütte Bleikristall <shudder> - try Google or Wikipedia for further details.
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HI Steve,
what you have to do, is to find an Antiques market/fair/shop in your area, walk around, pick up
the glass , handle it, you will soon notice the difference in quality and feel.
Charity shops are full of other peoples clear outs, not, that occasionally you may get a nice piece,
but its 1 in a thousand!
This piece is a very poor copy/imitation of cut to clear/ flashed/ overlaid glass,
keep reading books, websites, ebay, and all the posts on here, it may take a few years!
it did me, and i feel ive only scratched the surface!
be patient, you will find the answers you seek! ( i think thats a star wars quote! ;D)
Andy
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Hi Steve, i hope this link is ok with the mod's :-\ but anyway, there is load's of this about
http://members.aol.com/ebejqrsgnx/16/hofbauer.html
The learning process id a veerrry looooong one, believe me ::) but i do think you are getting your eye in :D
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I think Sue's link shows some people like Ivo's pet hate ;D
Andy is right, go to antique centres and similar places, look at glass, pick it up, handle it, BUT don't buy unless you really fall in love or you know you've got either a bargain or a fair price for something correctly identified or you can identify. Don't believe the labels unless you can confirm the ID from good books or find reliable IDs online or you have learnt the answer. Then you can decide what area(s) or theme(s) you want to collect in. Most of us have more than one collection, most of us make mistakes but often we can trust our instincts because we have looked and looked and read and read. You eye is getting better, welcome to the club
My name is Christine, I'm a glassoholic...
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Oh I have some tips for you. Handle as much glass as you can; do not be afraid to pick up the expensive and exclusive items, and ask the dealer why it is priced like it is. "How can you tell it is ....." will usually get you an enthusiastic story. But only ever buy something if you know the item will triple in price. You do not have to know precisely what it is, but you can usually tell by hand of the quality. Stay away from items with a ground unpolished bottom; do not buy plates as you'll end up stacking them; never buy anything with a ground pontil AND a cut rim; bowls are OK, ashtrays are not. And from time to time, trawl the bazaars and lower end markets to see what is on offer. Once you've seen pallets of Bormioli, Annahütte, Arcoroc or Pasabahce you will recognise them next time. And study the Ikea assortiment - we now get around 35% Ikea stuff on our antiques markets.
Happy hunting!!
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...bowls are OK, ashtrays are not.
As a general rule, yes - but there are always exceptions. For example, Holmegaard's blown glass ashtrays do sell fairly well. Especially Per Lütken's 1950s/60s designs, some of which can snap at the heels of the £100 mark (these are the more interesting ones, obviously - the less-interesting ones can languish around £10-15).
I think one of the easiest things for a new collector to do is settle on one, maybe two, areas of glass and get to know them properly, rather than embracing all glass at once. The latter is impossible, I think, if you wish to build up a solid base of knowledge with which to choose future purchases. And as you get to know your niche you'll very soon realise you can better judge other glass in terms of age and design (and, depending on the area you choose, quality) because you know the markers to look for in your own glass.
It's also much cheaper to buy books for only one specific field. ;D
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But only ever buy something if you know the item will triple in price.
That depends why you are buying, it's OK if you are buying as an investment or for resale. If you are buying simply for the pleasure of having and enjoying or studying, then that's irrelevant
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Actually, im quite amazed at the ebay link and all the bids on the Hofbauer glass :o
Maybe im missing something!
Regards
Andy
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While not every one may like it, it is something that you could build a good collection of fairly cheaply - and learn a lot in the process. Who knows you might end up writing a book :) People used to say the same thing about Whitefriar's 70s glass and look at what that sells for now.
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Thank you all for the input to this post some good links and very good advise which i will with out doubt follow, seems that this glass as made for a good disgustion, while out today i saw about 5 piece's of this from a vase to small glasses all at 50p and managed to keep my hands off them ;D wonder if i should have got them now, but alas i got some other glass even some Doulton which i will post in a jiffy, thank you for all the support, it is much appreciated.
Steve
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Ivo, is there a relationship between Annahütte and Hofbauer?
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"never buy anything with a ground pontil AND a cut rim" I don't understand this one. Ivo? Care to explain?
I echo others - if you really want to get proficient identifying glass, start with a narrow focus, buy some books about it, look for it. There's simply far too much to learn if one doesn't start small, and one ends up with lots of unsellable glass on one's hands (as this "one" knows all too well!). If you really want to get into glass collecting/buying/selling, you have to enjoy the research aspect of it.
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"never buy anything with a ground pontil AND a cut rim" I don't understand this one. Ivo? Care to explain?
if it has a ground pontil mark that is because the glass maker finished the rim (and sometimes handle) while the piece was attached to the pontil rod. The top of the piece should therefore be finished properly and not cut off and ground.
If a piece was made "from the top" i.e. on the blowpipe in a mould, it will not have a pontil mark. The piece is sprung off from the blowpipe, and the rim finished by grinding and polishing.
It makes no sense to have both features on the same piece, and chances are the rim was damaged and reground.
So finding both should get the alarm bells ringing.
I.
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I've just looked and I have one of those double ground pieces and I'm confident they are both as made - I can see the remains of gilding round the rim. In fact it seems to have a ground base, a ground pontil and a ground rim :o It's just a little handpainted uranium milk glass vase and not worth repairing - its got tiny chips round the rim and I paid peanuts for it. So I think NEVER BUY should be modified to BEWARE
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I think it depends where and when the glass was made. Bohemian glass typically has ground rims, especially pre-1900, and may have ground pontils depending on the item.
"If a piece was made "from the top" i.e. on the blowpipe in a mould it will not have a pontil mark" That's not necessarily true. Plenty of mould-blown glass was put on a punty for finishing. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, Ivo.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, Ivo.
I think you are. Cut rim or tooled rim are finishes.
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If a mould blown piece is put onto a punty for finishing, changing shape, adding bits, it will be removed from the blowpipe. While the finishing is done the edge will also be fished using a tool and probably a bit of fire polishing. After cooling the scar left by the punty is then ground down and polished (as appropriate) - to then go to the additional cost of cutting the rim would rarely happen and probably only when a metal rim is to be added.
However, after removing from the mould on the blow-pipe various additions can be made without transferring to a punty. As the base is mould finished there is no need to grind or polish it. But when the piece is removed from the blowing iron the edge will be rough and sharp. This gets ground and polished.
Blown cased glass that has a fire-finished rim is the norm for punty finished and the layers of glass on that rim tend to blend. As soon as it has been ground to remove a chip, the layers are very visible (If you know what to look for). Some say a good restorer can grind and polish a rim to appear fire-ground - in my experience this is not true unless you do not understand what to look at.
Sometimes you will find blown glass with both punty or gadget marks on the base and a rim that has not been fire-polished, just sheared while on the punty and tidied up by grinding. The only examples of this, I have seen, have been a few pieces of free-blown non-standard production Strathearn.
So as Ivo says it is a warning flag and in the world of variety of glass it is not impossible for some examples to exist. But they will be rare and unlikely from a 'cheap' production where costs are minimised.
Another case might be where it has been mould blown and a separate foot applied.
And of course, cut glass.
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So is there a relationship between Anna Hütte and Hofbauer (other than they are not the prettiest pieces in the glass world?)
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The Hofbauer birds were made by Nachtmann, if they owned Anna Hütte that might be a link.
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There is a link: Annahütte in Windischeschenbach, West Germany, which was a crystal glassworks which apparently went bankrupt. It was owned by the Hofbauers. There is a potted history here in German: http://www.heimatverein-altenstadt.de/Glasindustrie.php
Trademark data also gives the address as:
ANNAHÜTTE GMBH,
HERMANN-HOFBAUER-STABE 1,
W-8486 WINDISCHESCHENBACH,
GERMANY