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Title: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: josordoni on April 05, 2008, 04:00:22 PM
Does this ring any bells with anyone?

Smoke base glass, with applied amethyst trails to bottom half.  Whitefriars type polished pontil to base, engraved signature to base.  Stands 6.5 ins 160 mm tall, 4.75 ins 115 mm dia at base.  I note the continental 7s to what I presume is the date 77?

Any help will be appreciated,

(http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/11/97/23/97/th/amethy11.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=20&u=11972397)

(http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/11/97/23/97/th/amethy12.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=21&u=11972397)
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: Andy on April 05, 2008, 10:04:31 PM
Lynne, looks like Z something? (continental crossed Z) (and a little man hopping ;D)
Andy
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: josordoni on April 05, 2008, 10:11:28 PM
it's the mark of Zorro


slash-slash-slash  Ha!

 ;D
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: Tigerchips on April 07, 2008, 12:53:36 PM
I'm not sure but I'm guessing that this trailed decoration is a fairly common one with studio glass makers? If not, I have a vase with the same type of decoration by (i'm fairly sure) Adrian Sankey.

Could we have a pic of the base please?
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: josordoni on April 07, 2008, 01:14:43 PM
Thanks TC, here you are:

Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: Tigerchips on April 08, 2008, 07:49:37 AM
Much different. My vase has a spiral on the base and the pontil on mine looks like it's been scraped.
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: Frank on April 08, 2008, 10:24:33 AM
It looks like an interesting technique I wonder if one of the glassmakers can comment on it? I cannot work out how it was done. Is the trailing proud of the surface?
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: aa on April 08, 2008, 11:05:17 AM
It is called trailing and feathering. You trail a secondary colour around the piece in straight lines, melt the trails in and use a hooked spike to pull them. It is very similar to a confectionery technique used in icing pastries such as "mille feuilles"



http://mousseymoose.com/images/FCI%20Pictures/5-8-07/Daniel's%20Mille-Feuilles%20Au%20Chocolat.JPG

I believe it dates back to Roman times and possibly earlier. I wonder whether the Romans had a penchant for "milles feuilles"  ;D

Tiffany and Loetz used it to great effect......
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: Frank on April 08, 2008, 11:21:24 AM
I was puzzled as in the base picture the trails 'seem' to be proud of the surface and usually they are smoothed in.
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: josordoni on April 08, 2008, 02:58:08 PM
Frank, the amethyst glass is flat and level with the base smoke, it looks slightly raised because the edges of the feathers have a groove - it was obviously a separately applied trail as Adam says, but I would guess that the vase was rolled after the trailing was applied to flatten the trails into the base.

AA can talk more technical than me and explain it  ;D
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: Tigerchips on April 08, 2008, 06:16:20 PM
Shooting in the dark again, a long time ago, I had a vase with blue stripes and i'm fairly sure it was trailed like this. I think it was Selkirk or some other Scottish company.

Your vase is marked 77.........Selkirk 1977-2006! Hmmmm?  :-\

Here's a feathered one by Selkirk but very much different...
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/shops/shop3-1.htm
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: Anne on April 08, 2008, 06:40:14 PM
Looking at TC's vase I've not seen this type of decoration by Adrian Sankey, at least not that I can recall. Adrian has now stopped making studio glass and has closed the Ambleside gallery/studio where folks could go and watch glass being made He is now working from another site which does not permit visitors, and is focusing on lighting only. The one good thing about this is that he has kept the catalogues of his earlier studio glass on the website, and they can be found in the Archive section: http://www.glassmakers.co.uk/news/
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 08, 2008, 06:49:16 PM
His stuff is usually signed AND readable I think - well the piece on our fleamarket is
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: Anne on April 08, 2008, 09:15:00 PM
No, not all of it Christine, I recall seeing very little signed in the shop there (used to be a regular haunt of mine) and my small candlesticks aren't signed, they just had a paper label on the base.
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: aa on April 08, 2008, 09:25:08 PM
A number of factors can cause the trails to be raised, and it may or not have been intentional. The timing of the trailing, how much the trails are re-heated and melted in, at which stage in the process they are applied and the colour used for the trail, as well as the relative temperature of the bubble to the trail itself at the point of application can all have a bearing. So it is probably not going to be possible to ascertain the exact reason.
Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: Tigerchips on April 08, 2008, 09:35:50 PM
Looking at TC's vase I've not seen this type of decoration by Adrian Sankey, at least not that I can recall. Adrian has now stopped making studio glass and has closed the Ambleside gallery/studio where folks could go and watch glass being made He is now working from another site which does not permit visitors, and is focusing on lighting only. The one good thing about this is that he has kept the catalogues of his earlier studio glass on the website, and they can be found in the Archive section: http://www.glassmakers.co.uk/news/

Checking with that site, I have a Sankey vase that isn't on there.

I wondered where I had seen my vase, thanks...  ;D
http://www.glassmakers.co.uk/archive/displayproduct.cfm?ProductID=43


Title: Re: Modern Smoke vase with Amethyst trails, signed to base
Post by: Anne on April 08, 2008, 11:20:31 PM
TC I think it's the last stuff that's shown, not the earlier stuff. I remember a lot more being on sale than is in the catalogues. It was a super place to visit!