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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Andy on April 07, 2008, 02:45:47 PM
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Ive just been all through Loetz.com, im pretty sure this is Loetz, not sure of pattern,
possibly Texas?, and i found the same shape under ausfuhrung 102.
Any Loetz fans able to confirm?
Cheers
Andy 8)
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Can't help, but cool piece! When Warren comes along, he should be able to tell you something.
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Hi Andy
Great piece love it :mrgreen:
Steve
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Steve,
i paid £3 in the charity shop :dance:
Andy
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Hi, Andy... what you have there is a nice imitation of Loetz Texas decor. I would have picked it up for that price, too. :)
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Thanks Warren,
do you mean a modern imitation? or another Bohemian maker, such as the one on this link,
http://members.aol.com/dlfd912/LoetzCollectionP12.html
Cheers
Andy
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No, not modern - another maker... it could be Kralik, or it could be Harrach - I think it was probably one of the good Bohemian glashüttes. :)
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Looks contemporary to me..little or no wear on the base...could of been made anywhere :-\
/Ken
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Ken, its just the photo, theres lots of genuine nice age wear on the high points on the base where
it sits :)
Andy
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Andy,
I just don't get a Bohemian / Czech "vibe" from it... ;D
/Ken
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The "base wear" looks to me to be simple grinding resulting in ovals at the base of the "ridges" and each oval appears to be of a consistent matte finish, which I would not expect from ordinary wear. But maybe not ....?
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There has been grinding to make it sit level, which is normal. If it was contemporary, I would expect it to have been blown into a nice flat based mould and not finished on a punty - too much work there
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"If it was contemporary, I would expect it to have been blown into a nice flat based mould and not finished on a punty - too much work there"
I don't see the connection..why would u expect a contemporary hand blown piece to come out of a mold? ::)
too much work? most if not all hand blown pieces are finshed on a punty...polishing a pontil can be done in a minute.... 8)
/Ken
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Kev,
I know what you mean, Christine is right, its been ground to make it sit level,but theres
extra age wear from dust and grit and stuff. Its old!
This may help, but its as close as i can get!
Oh , and it took 10 minutes swirling with magic balls,strong detergent, to clean inside of grime/rust etc!
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Nice wear there Andy. However old it is it is still mould blown - it has to be to get those ribs. If it was a modern version of an old item (note similarity to Loetz Texas), I would expect it to be one requiring less work
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I thought id bump this up again, as there are many new members on the board,
also, Im thinking , maybe its English ??
There is no irridescence which i would expect on Bohemian, and the green was popular
with English makers c 1900. (im happy with the vase having a good age to it)
Anyone have any (more) ideas.
Cheers
Andy
(maybe a moderator could add English? to the heading.)
;)
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Not Bohemian, not Czech and not Loetz, Kralik or Harrach. Probably not very old.
Jindrich
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Thanks again Jindrich,
Im pretty sure its got some good age.
Could a moderator move this topic to British and Irish?
Cheers
Andy
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Until we know it's British it should stay here Andy. :)
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Thanks Anne, no problem.
Is it possible to remove the Loetz from the header, as i was obviously miles out :-[
and maybe putting English? instead ?
Regards
Andy
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Sure thing, done as requested... fingers crossed someone can help. :)
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Hi Andy
I thought it might be useful to show the base of a piece of Loetz Texas for comparison.
Regards
Hazel
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/DpZ-FRvpaRFmPacI8aTrcg?authkey=Gv1sRgCKShyPW1i-WlmgE&feat=directlink
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/JKcw-qKzyMzPFw7IlLjeFw?authkey=Gv1sRgCKShyPW1i-WlmgE&feat=directlink
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Thanks Hazel,
lovely vase, mine seems to be in the same style, but no irridescence, and im sure,now, its more likely
a Stourbridge, maybe Stuart or similar example.
Im still sure its 80 to 100 years old though.
Cheers
Andy
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Another idea from Mr Hajdamachs new book,
page 24 Stevens and Williams 'fibrelose' design,1902, a decanter with similar random trailed green over clear,
and as i was leaning towards Stourbridge c1900, its pretty close.
What thinks the panel? ;D
Andy
edit.. mines got a bit more green on it, but the more i look the closer they appear ;)
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Another bump,
I wondered if Nigel may think my theory of S+W is possible on this one??
Cheers
Andy
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Anyone got the new Hajdamach book yet? page 24 Stevens & Williams 'fibrelose' design ??
;D
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I have and I did look when you last posted and agree with you. But I am a novice ;D
m
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I was not active when this thread started so I think it is important to note that the images posted as an example of Texas, I believe to actually be a Kralik version of Texas, and not Loetz. I am posting a Texas example, a close-up of Texas, and another example of the decor shown above as Texas, except in different colors and identified as a Kralik piece.... Texas does appear in multiple colors.
Typically, the applied vertical veins or threads are much denser on Loetz Texas than the Kralik version, and the surface of Texas is more three dimensional, where the Kralik version is "flatter".
The addition of the leaves on the piece would also immediately preclude it from being Texas if it were Loetz. Texas with anything applied to it would be a different decor, such as Empire, which is the base Texas glass decor with an applied wreath and/or garland decor. The last image is an example of Empire.
For what it is worth, the piece strikes me as English for some reason.....
Craig
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Thanks Miranda and Craig ;D
The pictures of the loetz and Kralik Texas are great, im pretty sure now this is English,
Craig, theres no leaves on this one, i think its the other thread ive got going with the applied leaves,
also Bohemian or English that you may be thinking of.
Im digging up too many threads and confusing everyone, including myself ::)
Cheers
Andy
ps could a moderator add Stevens & Williams ?? to the header ?
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Hi Andy,
The attribution I was correcting was the one referencing the "Texas" attribution to the images in the Picasa Web links posted above by "Glasseyed". Not another posting of yours.... I may be confused... but not that confused.... :thup:
Craig
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Cheers Craig,
its just me then ;D ::) :-\