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Title: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: pooleandpaperweights on April 16, 2008, 02:04:45 PM

Hi all

Latest weight I can't ID!  It looks like a caithness weight from 1976 designed by Willie Manson, CT60 in the Charlton book, but has to many canes surrounding the central cane.  Mine has 14, CT60's have 11.  I've been told that Paul Ysart made some very similar weights, so I was wondering (ok hoping!) that it's one of those.

The canes sit in the latticino base, and the base is completely flat.  2.5" high, 3.25 wide.

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/pooleandpaperweights/DSC03076_2816x2112.jpg)

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/pooleandpaperweights/DSC03079_2816x2112.jpg)

thanks!
Ian

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: Frank on April 16, 2008, 03:46:03 PM

Have you checked for cane matches here http://www.btinternet.com/~kevh.glass/pages/paul-ysart/signed/paul-ysart.htm

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: Wuff on April 16, 2008, 04:33:30 PM

Ian - I may have to disappoint you: the number of canes in the circle does not seem to be a very good criterion - mine has 20 ! And mine is scratch signed "Laticino Caithness Scotland" plus a Caithness sticker. Another difference is the base: yours looks ground flat and polished - mine is just fire polished. Our canes match.

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: pooleandpaperweights on April 16, 2008, 04:39:40 PM

Some incredibly similar canes, but I thought the base was wrong for an Ysart?

Ian

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: Frank on April 16, 2008, 04:42:08 PM

Looks polished flat. Which is OK particularly Harland period.

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: pooleandpaperweights on April 16, 2008, 04:51:44 PM

Thought it was to close to the one in the Charlton book to not be one!

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: KevinH on April 16, 2008, 10:36:08 PM

Wuff is right ... the number of canes in the circle varied a lot. I have two, one with a CG cane and one without. One has 22 canes in the circle the other 25.

I was told (by Peter Holmes, I think) that all "CT-60 Latticino" from Caithness Glass had Ysart canes at the centre and outside but Caithness canes in the circle.

The design was also made at Paul Ysart's Harland studio and called "Milli Fiori" (see catalogue pages reproduced in Ysart Glass, page 163, with one dated as 1975). Two examples of the Harland version are shown and both have differing canes in the circle, whereas the CG ones have the same cane throughout the circle. If that is a definite regular feature, then it will be a sure way to separate the Ysart / CG ones in the absence of a sig cane.

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: carolglass on April 15, 2009, 04:03:36 AM

I have just purchased a very similar weight, with the outside canes of three pairs- I was very impressed when I opened the parcel. The seller stated that it was made in 1976 by William Manson- would that be senior or junior? regards Carol

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: KevinH on April 15, 2009, 12:15:54 PM

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... would that be senior or junior?

That would be Senior.

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: carolglass on April 15, 2009, 08:30:56 PM

Many thanks for your reply KevH, could you give me details re the book "Ysart Glass " that is referred to in a previous post?- it will be another one to put on the ever growing list. TIA Carol

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: KevinH on April 15, 2009, 11:16:26 PM

For details of the Ysart Glass book, look no further than the GMB Glass Books forum, where there is this thread (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19154.msg36872.html#msg36872).

Used copies appear on eBay from time to time. There are currently a few copies available through Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk. Look around in various bookseller sites.

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: tamefox on April 22, 2009, 09:36:22 PM

Not sure this is going to help...

- my CG 'Laticino' uses the same blue circle of canes as Ian's, but 26.

- the base of mine is fire polished only - probably a side effect of softening it enough to push the included CG cane into the base as the last operation before annealing

- Ian  -yours looks like it has a CG cane in the underside? - from the pix posted?

- the canes in Carol's look very different to Willie's design  -so was it an earlier PY one (of several) made at CG?

- alternatively - Millefiori Reflections - the other 1st WM design released in 1976 used a range of different canes - "depending on what was available" Willie told me.  - so perhaps Laticino did also..?

See, I told you it wouldn't help...

andy_n

Title: Re: Latticino ground millefiori canes weight
Post by: tamefox on April 22, 2009, 09:46:57 PM

p.s.

All CG Laticino (1976-1978) (not in '79 catalogue) should have the CG cane in the base, underneath.

I've just checked my notes, and forgot that Willie also said that the first 150 approx. of Millefiori Reflections and of Laticino were made in Wick by Willie, but then production was moved to Oban because Willie was too busy doing other things....

So, Oban didn't make canes, so did Wick send down a different range for Oban to use in the circle?

Anyone have an email address for Martin Campbell?  - he might remember...

Still not helping is it...     ~|:O))

andy_n