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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: Andy on April 24, 2008, 08:29:34 PM
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I think this has to be good Murano, it all feels good, well made, beautifully finished,
amazing 3D effect with the gold. Its 10 inches tall, 1.3kg. Very tactile,
the rim, smooth( flame polished?), base nicely finished, no pontil mark, see photo.
It is more beautiful than its photos, i cant believe its a far eastern product!
A little age wear to base, but i would imagine its not that old.
Any views or ideas?
Andy
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I wanted to put a couple of more photos on, to help show it off!
Andy
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Check out a search of the board for "Nason". Also same search in GlassGallery.
Also David E's page on Nason (http://www.glassyeye.com/glasspages/italy-nason.html).
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Thanks Kev,
just had a good look through threads, this one is the best,
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2811.0.html
I was thinking Nason, the above link shows the difference between Vincenzo Nason, and Chinese Dalian,
Im 99.999% sure mine is Vincenzo Nason ;D
:hiclp: :hiclp: :hiclp:
Maybe this could be moved to Murano, just for confirmation?
Cheers
Andy
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looks like Nason Avventurina range.
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Happy with the Nason provenance, :D
small piece copied from David Es site, (hope thats ok?)
'Glass by V.Nason was known for using aventurine. This process involved rolling the molten glass into copper flakes and Nason commonly used 'black' glass. This glass also has a very light clear 'casing' so the copper would always appear to be on the surface, and the surface feels lightly textured'
Im just wondering , looking at the seguso Bunny rabbit in post ,
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4830.0.html
maybe a chance my vase may be Seguso?
its very smooth, highly polished, no texture, and is the Aventurine , Copper, or Gold ? by either maker?
My Aventurine, gives a deep 3D effect in places.
Just a thought.
Andy
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Im actually 100% sure now, its V Nason, found these examples,
http://www.design-and-arts.com/en/show-products.php?category=15
Theres some ashtrays, with labels, and the same purple colour that mine has on the rim :D
the gold colour is just the same, and im presuming its copper, rather than gold!
Andy ;D
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On ebay ay the moment an example of Nason Avventurina with label item no 250243653658 One day to go, not mine. JP
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here are mine - certified, labeled.
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Are the Nason pieces always black? We saw a midnight blue vase with the same overall inclusions today, and a white inner lining. Might it have been Nason or not?
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If we'd have thought we'd have taken a photo! :-\
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You'd have had to as I still can't get the pics off my phone Christine! ::) ;D
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Not sure I like the 99,999 % attribution. I would give Dalian more credit than 0,001% - especially with the untypical clear casing!
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As David E says,
" V.Nason
Currently the black and aventurine vases can be purchased quite cheaply although as the company are no longer in business their collectability should increase in the years to come. Tomorrow's collectable, perhaps?"
The nice one on ebay, found by JP above, sold for £12.26 !
Price wise, doesnt make much difference whether Nason or chinese :'(
Regards
Andy
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Anne, and Ivo,
just seen this blue one on ebay, same as Ivos!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STUNNING-ART-GLASS-COVERED-CANDY-BOWL_W0QQitemZ350058392466QQihZ022QQcategoryZ988QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Andy
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And this is the link on here i was trying to find, re possible blue ones.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19009.0.html
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Obviously the pressed!! item is Nason - with or without blue opaque shards rolled in, but I will not agree to simply attribute any item with rolled in aventurine in black, blue or red to Nason. If you have an identical model with a sticker, sure. But using aventurine is just another technique.
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found this one:
http://www.dargate.com/249_auction/249_images/3068.jpg
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from the base it looks like this vase might be mold blown??? or is it ground and polished and i'm just seeing things? every pressed or molded v nason piece that i've had in my hands has the word "ITALY" in raised letters upon the base? is that true of all v nason pressed/molded pieces? if not, when did it start/stop? does anyone know?
the variety of aventurine "blobs" seems different to me as well? in the nason pieces that i've got all the copper bits are of the same color and tone. i've seen Formia pieces that use the multi hued aventurine like in your vase, though. if you look closely at Ivo's pictures of labeled pieces from the Avventurine line you'll notice that the aventurine is very crisp, almost glittery and in smaller, more uniform "chunks". in your vase, there are some of the crisp glittery bits but also pearlescent tan and gold bits. i've not seen this combination in labeled/marked v. nason. of course, i'm not an expert on V Nason or much of anything else for that matter ;)
tc,
bidda
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The blue ones shown by Andy and Ivo are nothing like the one Christine and I saw. It was a midnight blue background, with the aventurine inclusions. No paler blues as in the examples shown, and the inside was cased in white glass. None of the Nason or Dalian examples seem to have been cased white inside?
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I think surely, there must be other choices other than just V Nason and Dalien.
Probably quite a few Murano factories making similar.
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i think so too, Andy. if i had to bet on a maker (which i'm loathe to do) i'd go with Formia. i've had vases in my hands with the same kind of aventurine (mottled bits of shimmery, golden tan; pearlescent gold and sparkling, glittery copper in a black base), one with a Formia label. i've not seen the same combination in a piece labeled else wise.
i'll try to come up with some pictures to post in support of the Formia theory over the next couple of days. weekends my dh is home so i can't/won't log the hours i would normally devote to research. i had a few pics of the labeled vase i mentioned but they were lost (along with thousands of other images and hundreds of bookmarks) when my last computer when kapoot. :cry:
bidda
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Forget Formia. The vase at issue was made by Dalian.
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I have to agree with Ivo and Bidda.
The Nason stuff is from the 60's / 70's and is done with finesse.
The splodgy, sludgy, slurry, smeary Dalian stuff is slap dash, without artistry, of inferior quality and probably more recent.
The devil is in the detail.
Collectors (en masse) will eventually learn to tell the difference even if that the moment they can't.
As to Formia, I have a theory which I am not able to prove as yet so will stay quiet.
Ed.
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As to Formia, I have a theory which I am not able to prove as yet so will stay quiet.
Ed.
wiser than i, there, Ed ;)
bidda