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Title: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: sunflower2 on April 25, 2008, 12:37:18 PM

Hi--Can anyone tell me for certain if this "hand holding torch vase" is Fenton?  It has a 3-part mold, a long shear line and stands 12 1/4" tall.   Thanks for any info you can provide.

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: Andy on April 25, 2008, 12:53:03 PM

Hi Sunflower,
try this link , written by a couple of clever members of this board ;D

http://www.glass.co.nz/glasshandvases.htm

Hope this helps, and welcome to the glass message board,
Cheers
Andy 8)

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: sunflower2 on April 25, 2008, 01:03:04 PM

Thanks! 

That web page was my starting place, and is what brought me to the glass message board.  I see similiar vases like mine in the last picture showing Marinka's collection, but don't know if they are Fenton. 

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: Andy on April 25, 2008, 01:47:47 PM

Hopefully Marinka will pop in , and help you. Im sure she will soon.
Regards
Andy

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: jsmeasell on April 28, 2008, 02:03:58 AM

Not Fenton, as the crimp is not right and the shape near the bottom is quite different. Does this one have a pontil mark?

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: sunflower2 on April 28, 2008, 11:50:58 AM

No pontil mark.  Thanks for your info about Fenton. 

Would anyone know what company made this one?

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: heartofglass on April 30, 2008, 01:50:54 PM

Hi there,
this type of vase definitely not Fenton, but sorry I cannot identify the exact manufacturer at this stage.
My personal opinion is that these particular vases are of a relatively recent manufacture, perhaps 1970s-1980s & possibly Asian origin. I have several in my collection, one of which was purchased in Vietnam by the dealer who sold it to me. Quality-wise, this vase does not compare with most of the original Victorian era ones or the modern Fenton ones either. Sometimes these vases are referred to as art deco or Depression glass, but I personally do not believe these are of that vintage, despite some superficial resemblances in terms of colour. The finish on these particular vases is not even up to that of typical early 20th century pressed glass, as the mould fins are very obvious & the amount of glass used in each pressing of the vase (from comparing different examples of the same vase) varies considerably. In terms of hand vases, they quite are commonly found.
Nevertheless, they are still pleasing examples of the hand vase genre & very decorative.

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: Dave the Glass on April 30, 2008, 03:10:43 PM

I saw this one on good old Dave Doty's site it is close

http://www.ddoty.com/handvase.html

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: Glen on April 30, 2008, 05:00:12 PM

I have handled a lot of the Indian Carnival Glass Hand vases (and I mean a lot :o). I do not think the one in this thread is like them, Dave.

Glen

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: Glen on April 30, 2008, 05:18:36 PM

Marinka, I just looked at your lovely article on the Glass Museum website. In the section on the Carnival Glass vases, you wrote:

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Sometimes Jain iridized hand vases are not marked at all, sometimes they are marked JAIN and sometimes with the company's logo, a sathya or swastika (a traditional sacred emblem in India).

Have you actually seen a Carnival Glass Hand vase marked "with the company's logo, a sathya or swastika"? I have not seen or handled any. The Elephant vase is the only one I am aware of that has the swastika.

Glen

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: heartofglass on May 01, 2008, 01:47:35 AM

Hi Glen, :)
Out of the three carnival hand vases that I have in my collection, one of them is marked with the swastika, & the word Jain. The marking is on the wristwatch band, on the "back" of the vase.
In the article, there is a photo of the three vases, & the marked one is on the right of the trio. It has a better quality finish to it than the other two vases and has a wristwatch with a round bezel. The slightly taller vase on the left of the group has a watch with a rectangular bezel, the same as the small vase in the centre.
My other two carnival hands are not marked.
The other vase pictured in the article isn't mine, I presume it is one of Angela's, but it looks to be of similar type (except for the floral pattern on the cornucopia) to my Jain one. It too has the round bezel watch.
By the way, since I have written the article I have acquired many more interesting hand vases, including a 1950s Fenton Peach Crest, a pair of black "puffy hands" with coralene decoration, a pair of vaseline Derbyshires, a stunning crystal hand held perfume bottle with a very French art deco feel to it, a right handed match to the pink cased Bohemian left handed vase (many thanks to Leni :)), as well as many other intriguing examples of the genre.
Maybe I need to do a supplement to the article of new acquisitions! ;D

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: Glen on May 01, 2008, 09:04:48 AM

Thanks for that, Marinka - very interesting.

Glen

Title: Re: Hand Torch Vase ID
Post by: sunflower2 on May 05, 2008, 01:05:43 PM

Thank you, Marinka, for all of your information.  You've been a great help!