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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Andy on May 14, 2008, 07:28:47 PM
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Just read through the thread started by Bernard on Burmese/peachblow, all very confusing,
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,21013.0.html
I dont think its helped me much with this little vase, although it doesnt glow under UV, so
i dont think its Burmese, theres no yellow, just rose pink, fading to base.
white inside, broken pontil, frilly rim, satin finish.
14cm tall. Probably English, late 19thC.
Its got a manufacturing flaw, seen in pic 3,
any advice?
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I find Peachblow really tough to ID since it doesn't have any nice test like Burmese does. There were peachblow-looking reproductions made that weren't struck.
Ack, I gotta rush...From what I gather, S&W and Webb peachblows have some yellow in them, similar to Hobbs', so that would rule them out. Mt. Washington's wasn't cased.
I haven't got time now to look into it more, but from the colors and the fact that yours is cased I suspect it isn't actually struck peachblow, but rather a normal shaded piece.
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Just read through the thread started by Bernard on Burmese/peachblow, all very confusing,
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,21013.0.html ...
Andy — Why confusing? Long-winded perhaps, mainly because of my own ignorance, and wandering rather off-topic. Anyway it's on my ruby-cased ewer, which is not Burmese/peachblow.
... 14cm tall. ...
What's that in imperial? It converts to 5½", i.e. 14cm (5½"), but it would be better to measure it in imperial and provide a real unbracketed figure.
... Probably English ...
Why? It can't be because it's an exact inch size, because it isn't, and anyway that test doesn't work with flared and crimped rims, nor does it allow for Bohemian glassmakers, for example, making export pieces in inch sizes, which is quite possible.
Would you please check it for a third clear layer between the white opal and the ruby layers. It wasn't easy seeing this on my ewer, but the stretched spout helped make it more obvious by creating a gap between the white opal and the ruby. Yours will be more difficult to see, but the rim looks exactly the same as the unstretched rim on my ewer, near the handle. If so, the only remaining difference is the pontil scar, easily explained as my ewer has a foot which would have enabled a spring punty/snap/gadget to be used, with any marks from this disappearing in the acid bath.
I think the two pieces are contemporary and from the same manufacturer, and were probably made by the same master glassmaker. That subtle ruby graduation is just too similar.
I've put a link over there back to here.
Bernard C. 8)
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Hi bernard,
only confusing, because it goes on a bit, and with my memory, by the time ive read it all, looked
at the links, ive forgotten the first bit, and im still 12 years off my bus pass :D
Mine seems to only have 2 layers, i would think yours is better quality, im surprised with the
fault in mine that it survived to leave the factory, but i presume, with the layers, and crimping ,it would
have taken some time to make, maybe the quality control at the factory wasnt as good as others?
Is the satin finish done with acid?
I suppose i would describe it as Victorian, ruby cased satin.
Regards
Andy
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Yep, the satin finish is achieved with acid.
I'm inclined to agree with you that yours isn't the same quality as Bernard's. I think you're right that it's Victorian; it could easily have been made in Bohemia - they did a lot of shaded stuff in imitation of that produced elsewhere. I strongly suspect Bernard's is Mt Washington. Yours is very pretty, too!
Sorry about all that crazy off-topic stuff in Bernard's thread!
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I'm not inclined toward Bernard's Peachblow vase being Mt. Washington in color or form. Mt. Washington Peachblow interiors are peach shading to white or simply peach. Mt. Washington did not use crystal handles on either Burmese or Peachblow, the handles were the color of the product & finally the Ewer shape of Bernard's piece is not representative of Mt. Washington shapes. The Sisk reference "Mt. Washington Art Glass" which is considered the Mt. Washington bible (primarily because of so many art glass/Mt. Washington contributors) shows many examples of color & form for Peachblow in the 270 pages.
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Might as well keep that discussion in Bernard's thread...see comments there.