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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: azelismia on May 28, 2008, 07:11:19 PM

Title: moser intaglio
Post by: azelismia on May 28, 2008, 07:11:19 PM
This piece is 4" high 123.00 was my knockdown price.. Did I do well? Not sure of the going rate of these.  I wanted one though and I don't think it gets a lot better than this price wise?
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: Galle on May 28, 2008, 07:37:35 PM
It was good enough to beat me. :) :hiclp:
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: azelismia on May 28, 2008, 07:39:42 PM
that's what worries me! lol, 125 was my cut off. I figured that was going to be the knockdown judging from how many views it had. I am getting pretty good at final price predictions on wrongly labelled auctions.

I really have to start selling stuff...
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: krsilber on May 28, 2008, 10:12:20 PM
Shaded intaglio piece like this seem to fetch quite a lot of money, so I'm not surprised you had to pay that much.  I don't remember ever seeing one with a band like that at the top, which may have made your competition a bit stiffer.  There's a design on it, isn't there?  Is it etched or cut?  I'd love to see a close-up of it if you get a chance.  Also, if you feel like it, could you take a picture of the flower with something white inside the vase?  I'm interested to see how the depth of the cutting might reveal the different layers of colorless and green glass.

I, too, have long wanted an example like yours...congratulations on your win!
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: azelismia on May 28, 2008, 11:11:15 PM
I haven't got it yet but I'll be happy to take more pics when I have it.  I am under the impression that the rim is enamel but I could be wrong. This was one of those misidentified auctions that had a weird sideways picture and was just under antique vases. it still had something like 146 views :). It was still 29.00 in the last few minutes of auction. I knew it wasn't going to stay there with that sort of attention. :) They don't have a little icon symbolising the thrill of hte hunt up in the emoticon section. they need one with slavering fangs :)
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: azelismia on June 03, 2008, 03:12:26 AM
http://s248.photobucket.com/albums/gg172/thefiresidecat/

Kristi,  I took a lot of pics of it. it's easier just to give you a link to my photo bucket account. I have a new bright led blacklight. I took some pics of it with that.  but it is bright in the LED black light anyway just not green. When I use my older crappier blacklight on it, it does glow green but the other blacklight is so faint that it doesn't produce enough light to take a picture by.

 I guess the newer led blacklights don't have the same waves of light that the long tube fluorescents have and that's what brings out the uranium in that nice green glow. I need yet another black light to replace the long tube one I have that doesn't even have a replacement area for batteries.
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: krsilber on June 03, 2008, 08:05:58 PM
Thanks for posting the photos!  Are you happy with it now that you have in your hot little paws, fireside kitty? ;D

I've wondered before how those LED blacklights measure up to fluorescent bulbs.  It would be interesting to get a variety of UV lights together and test a few pieces of glass.

Do you mean the green glows in UV?  I assume so, if you're talking about uranium.  Huh - I wouldn't have guessed that.  Interesting.
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: azelismia on June 03, 2008, 09:34:27 PM
It's a very pretty little piece. the green doesn't have any reaction to the uv lights at all. the base clear glass does. it does on my other green to clear moser piece as well. it's a bright candy apple green but only with the long bulb. it doesn't with the LED light.
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: krsilber on June 04, 2008, 12:15:52 AM
That would be manganese making it glow then rather than uranium.
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: azelismia on June 04, 2008, 12:45:09 AM
this ebay number is my other moser piece. they included a pic of the glow w/blacklight. So even if it's got a nice bright glow like this it's not uranium in clear glass? I thought that was only for the pale dim glow?
320241697254
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 04, 2008, 06:42:58 AM
Now that surprises me but I suspect it's wavelength thing. I have a few pieces whose unraniumness I suspect, but until I get that Gieger counter...
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: Leni on June 04, 2008, 08:36:24 AM
A Geiger counter won't tell you much, Christine!  ::)  My husband has one, and my whole cabinet of Uranium glass doesn't even get a tick out of it!  ;D

However, his old watch face sets it positively purring!  :o 
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 04, 2008, 11:25:24 AM
I think it depends on your counter
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: krsilber on June 04, 2008, 12:46:33 PM
Ditto what Christine said.  I'm in a rush, but here's an interesting site, and a quote from it:
Quote
When exposed to such light the uranium glows with a very characteristic ghostly green colour, which, once seen, is easily recognised again (Plate 3). There are three problems with using UV light. The first is that it cannot be used in bright “visible” light as this swamps the fluorescence. Secondly, in some glasses, especially those with a high lead content, the fluorescence is so weak that there is an element of uncertainty. Thirdly, I have found examples of modern glass with yellow fluorescing agents, which glow much the same as uranium. The other method is by the use of a Geiger counter or other suitable radiation-detecting instrument. This again is not foolproof for there are other sources of radiation, which might confuse an instrument. However, the likelihood of this happening can be greatly reduced by careful selection of the instrument. I have found an end-window, beta-sensitive Geiger counter suitable for this work.
http://www.glassassociation.org.uk/Journal/uranium-2.htm

He's very careful in his use of it, sounds like, calibrating it and so forth.

See the photos on pg. 2, plate 2 and 3.
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 04, 2008, 01:02:22 PM
Barrie is, he gives more information in his book (which both Leni and I have  :-[) and radioactivity figures I think (maybe)
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: krsilber on June 04, 2008, 09:38:07 PM
Christine, Barrie is - ?  And why do you have an "embarrassed" face because you and Leni have the book?

We seem to have two parallel threads at the moment that discuss uranium and Geiger counters.  Would it make sense to talk about it in Bungie60's thread  (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,21494.0.html), since that started out talking about UV reactivity and the glow from uranium?  My poor little brain is getting addled jumping from thread to thread.

Azelismia, I saw another intaglio vase the other day that had a gold band around the top like yours.  I'm going to have to try to find it again because if my memory serves me correctly I think it was Harrach, who did intaglio very similar to Moser's.  Is yours signed by any chance?
Title: Re: moser intaglio
Post by: krsilber on June 05, 2008, 02:53:27 AM
Or the marquetry one, or one of these:  Mod: Link removed as content changed to inappropriate site

Now THAT would be awesome.

I never noticed that they were different.  There are exceptions, but it does seem to generally be the case.

My memory must have failed me.  In Baldwin's Moser book on pg. 125 there's a vase that has band on top a similar to yours.  I don't know if that's the one I saw or what.