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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Ivo on June 09, 2008, 06:49:45 PM
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"Coronation 1953" is the caption under the coat of arms in this pressed ashtray with matt bottom. (4") Both the lion and the unicorn look seriously hung over - as you would be after smoking for 55 years - but the honey soit and the dieu et mon droit are sharp and crisp.
Identification is hereby formally requested....
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Ivo...this isn't much help, but evidently these were made with various themes...I found this UK auction 320259562601 that has three of them. Ken
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Now you need the set!
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OMG they're coasters and I will have to wait for ER to kick le buquet before the value goes over 99 p for a set of three. Good sluithing, Ken and thanks, Frank but I can do without the set. One example will be quite enough.
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;D Ivo ;D Together we HAVE the set.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/PGElizcommem.html
(I found these a couple of years ago - still no idea who made them).
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Glen — your crown version solved the mystery. I have the exact matching design on a commemorative casserole lid in a boxed set, complete with most of the original label on the box. Priced at an astonishing 27/6, this set is a lidded two pint round casserole in a pierced aluminium stand with two ivory bakelite handles — The NEVVACOLD Royal Coronation Model. The Phoenix brand casserole was by the British Heat-Resisting Glass Company Ltd., originally of Lodge Road, Birmingham when formed by ex-Chance employees after the abandonment of Orlak production, but by the time of the Coronation of Loxdale Road, Bilston, according to BGbtW. Lid marked "RGG 500L", Base "RG 500B" plus the Phoenix TM, aluminium stand unmarked.
So, Ivo and Glen, your coasters are Phoenix heat-resistant glass, specifically intended for use with hot drinks.
... and I can't help wondering if there was a connection with Walsh, also in Lodge Road.
Bernard C. 8)
Later:
A Google search found this Phoenix webpage (http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/BCMC/phoenix/phoenix07.htm), further confirmation of the attribution. Note the dangers of over-enthusiastic restoration of a label using software tools. My label clearly has the original "27/6", not the misleading "7/6" shown here. A useful reminder that an unmodified photograph of the original label would have been a wise addition to this page.
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See here (http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/BCMC/phoenix/phoenix05.htm) for Bernard's casserole, without box and stand.
Start here (http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/BCMC/phoenix/phoenix01.htm) for the entire Phoenix story
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Great result, another mystery solved!
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Many thanks, Bernard...and a DUH :-[ from me too. I should have spotted the Phoenix similarity myself. I worked on an article ("Memories of a Side Lever Press Operator") last year that had a facinating connection to Phoenix...and I read all the Phoenix info on that website then. In fact I even gave a link in my article. :-[
You can see the aforementioned article on Frank's Scotland's Glass and also here on my website.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/MemoriesSideLeverPressOperator.html
The info on Phoenix is in the first paragraph.
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Glen — So there was more than a location connection with Walsh. Thanks for the link. See also here (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,14036.0.html) for a lovely example of Walsh pressed by that team.
Bernard C. 8)
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Following the failure of most of the earlier links above, here is the link to the new and expanded Phoenix History website (http://www.blackcountrymemories.org.uk/phoenix/phoenix01.htm).
The page with the pricing error of 7/6 instead of the correct 27/6 I referred to above is still not amended and can be seen here (http://www.blackcountrymemories.org.uk/phoenix/phoenix07.htm).
Bernard C. 8)
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Ummmm I don't know if it helps or hinders but.... an ashtray with the same crown, same text but in a different font, as Glen's is shown in the Design Centre image archives here: http://www.vads.ac.uk/large.php?uid=79867&sos=0 it's stated as being made by Fountain Glass Works. It looks like the same design as the Phoenix teapot stand on Bernard's link...