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Title: Lady in the Lake
Post by: Ivo on August 11, 2005, 10:45:42 AM: A long standing mystery

http://tinypic.com/ac8o6c.jpg

Starfish bowl 10"across, 2 ladies (1 crawl, one backstroke) and a variety of marine life. The colour is straw and the outside marigold iridised. It is embossed "Made in Germany" on the underside of one of the handles.

So far not a clue. I don't even know if it counts as carnival.
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Connie on August 11, 2005, 11:24:25 AM: Ivo -

I have no clue as to the maker but I am anxious to find out. I love the bowl. My daughter is a competitive swimmer and her 2 best strokes are freestyle and backstroke :lol:
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Glen on August 11, 2005, 12:27:42 PM: Ivo - I would certainly class it as Carnival (albeit probably more recent).

I have seen handles exactly like that on another (unknown) piece. Hhmm, that doesn't help, does it? :roll:

Thinking aloud, it also reminds me of a pattern known as Art Deco that has been found in the form of a little cream jug, bearing a red sticker that reads:

JRIS

and on another gold label above the JRIS,
Made in Germany US Zone.

Any ideas on JRIS?

Glen
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Anne on August 11, 2005, 01:05:28 PM: Glen, just thinking aloud... could it be IRIS rather than JRIS? The two letters are sometimes hard to tell apart if script and/or used interchangeably.
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Ivo on August 11, 2005, 01:13:08 PM: http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/germany/194548.gif

Never heard of Jris - but at the very least we can now exclude manufacturers in Saarland (French zone) and in Saxony (Soviet zone). The US zone was established in Bavaria - including the Bavarian glassmaking region around Zwiesel - in Hessen and in Baden-Württemberg. The other major glassmaking area of Thüringen was only in the uS zone for three months in 1945 before it was passed on the the soviets.
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Glen on August 11, 2005, 02:39:13 PM: Ivo - many thanks for the map and the identified regions.

Anne - I had considered that possibility too (there is, in fact, an iridised range made in the Far East with a US link that is called "Irice") but the J is undoubtedly a J. It is formed exactly as you see it here, with a curve to the left of the base of the vertical stroke, and a flat horizontal to the left of the top of the horizontal stroke. The lettering is uppercase and not script.

J

A puzzle.

Glen
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Ivo on August 11, 2005, 03:33:42 PM: It could still be Iris - in many sans serif fonts the capital J is used for I which has insufficient body. Some sans fonts only use a serif for the capital I - like this one - just for that reason. Typewriters used to have the lower case L to double as an upper case I (jeez I'm old enough to remember typewriters!)

Anyway, wasn't Iris one of the brand names from Leinauer which started out around 1950 in Leinau which I think is in the US zone? The Bundesrepublik started May 1949 - the GDR half a year later.
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Glen on August 11, 2005, 03:40:51 PM: Leinauer's iridised range was called "Pfauenauge and Kaleidoskop" I believe. It was usually very vivid.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/LGW.html

I haven't seen an I that looks like a J, but I will take your word for it, Ivo and Anne. It certainly would be logical that the item might be called IRIS. Unfortunately it doesn't help us find the maker :shock: sob sob

Glen
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Glen on August 11, 2005, 05:02:38 PM: Oh hang on....... further to what I just wrote in my response about the J or I above.

It just dawned on me.......the second I in the word would surely also look like a J. And it doesn't. It's a simple upright stroke.

(http://tinypic.com/acgcnp.jpg)

Please excuse amateurish looking sketch, but I only have a small photo of the partial label to work from

Glen
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Frank on August 11, 2005, 05:34:32 PM: No sign in Hartmann but there are other examples with the I in J form in a couple of German/Bohemian glassworks. So at least it is certainly IRIS.
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Sklounion on August 11, 2005, 05:51:27 PM: Hi,

You may be looking for Fritz Iris, a glass-maker from Augsburg, which I think was in the US sector. Can't help as to dates, but if I find anything else I'll come back to you.

Re-edited:
DR.-NICK-STR. 23
86165 AUGSBURG
DEUTSCHLAND
Telefon: (0821) 723137

Pending a response from our 8) moderator....address etc removed. I'm erring on the side of caution here.

Thanks for the rapid response, Frank, much appreciated.

regards,

Marcus
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Leni on August 11, 2005, 06:12:46 PM: Quote from: "Glen"
It just dawned on me.......the second I in the word would surely also look like a J. And it doesn't. It's a simple upright stroke.

Not necessesarily! :shock: It could be because it's at the beginning of the word (a bit like those old-fashioned 's's that look like 'f's but only in the middle of words.)

Leni
Title: lady in the lake
Post by: Glen on August 11, 2005, 07:13:17 PM: Leni - yes, I can see where you're coming from.

Marcus - many thanks. I'll let you know how this progresses.

Many thanks.

Glen