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Title: Bohemian Goblet needing more info.
Post by: Cazza on June 29, 2008, 06:52:23 AM

Can anyone please help me with this goblet can you give me any more information please.
Many thanks

Title: Re: Bohemian Goblet needing more info.
Post by: Andy on June 29, 2008, 11:40:53 AM

Hi Cazza,
could you add photo of base? Is there signs of age, pontil etc?
Cheers
Andy

Title: Re: Bohemian Goblet needing more info.
Post by: Cazza on June 29, 2008, 11:57:29 AM

Hi Andy here is a pic of the base, there is no pontil, the glass is very heavy 648g the guilding around the sides is worn and so is the guilding on the top of the glass worn. Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Bohemian Goblet needing more info.
Post by: krsilber on June 29, 2008, 06:59:11 PM

My guess is Josephinenhütte or another northern Bohemian maker, around 1900-1920.

Title: Re: Bohemian Goblet needing more info.
Post by: Cazza on June 29, 2008, 09:31:12 PM

Thank you for your help, I shall try to find out about Josephinenhütte I am not familiar with this sort of glass there are two but the other one has a small crack in it. I have googled the name but not coming up with much so far.

Title: Re: Bohemian Goblet needing more info.
Post by: Ivo on June 30, 2008, 07:52:30 PM

Could be anything - this type of cold enamel decoration was done in Sweden, in Germany, in Silesia and in Bohemia (north and south).

Title: Re: Bohemian Goblet needing more info.
Post by: Cazza on June 30, 2008, 08:40:31 PM

Hi Ivo
thank you for your input, I will keep on looking then
:-)

Title: Re: Bohemian Goblet needing more info.
Post by: krsilber on June 30, 2008, 11:20:33 PM

I took the colored bits to be transparent enamel.  That combined with fine line schwarzlot in this style was, as far as I know, most common at Haida, Steinschönau, Wiener Werkstätte, and (I think, though I haven't been able to find examples in a quick search) Josephinenhütte.  Of course, Wiener Werkstätte was in Vienna, but it seems to share a lot of stylistic similarities with northern Bohemian work.  I've seen those little spirals a lot in work from Steinschönau.

Ivo, who in Sweden made glass in the same style, with simple black lines and enamel?  What makers in southern Bohemia used it?  To me it seems pretty distinctive.

Title: Re: Bohemian Goblet needing more info.
Post by: Cazza on July 01, 2008, 06:15:15 AM

Hi there Kristi
the coloured bits are transparent enamel and there are loads of swirls, some which do not show all that well in the photos as they are worn. To be honest I never even knew what the coloured bits were but have now looked and they are deffo enamel. Many thanks
Cazza

Title: Re: Bohemian Goblet needing more info.
Post by: krsilber on July 01, 2008, 06:00:00 PM

Could you post a larger photo of the decoration?  I'm not sure it would help with an attribution, but it would be nice to see and to have on hand if I or someone else did run across something like it.

This vase is from Haida (on display at the Corning Museum of Glass).  While superficially not very similar, it shares, I think, some of the same techniques and stylistic attributes.

Title: Re: Bohemian Goblet needing more info.
Post by: Cazza on July 02, 2008, 06:37:03 AM

Hi there Kristi
Thank you for your help, I have also noticed that there is more guilding which is missing on the foot of the goblet in the right light you can just make it out.
Cazza