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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: tropdevin on July 03, 2008, 06:48:44 AM
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This Whitefriars weight (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=2&campid=5335820906&toolid=10001&customid=&ext=110267353930&item=110267353930) - which may be a late Walsh Walsh weight - has an intriguing 'Made in England' mark which I have not seen before. I know that the US required 'Made in China' marks on Chinese weights at one point, but the canes in this weight look to be late 1940s - 1950s.
Has anyone else seen one with a 'Made in England' mark?
Overpriced, I feel.
Alan
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Hey Alan - what does the central cane say - looks like some lettering?
A.
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If those are letters in the central cane, then it says "I I I I" but with two opposing "I"'s being thin and two being fatter. Each part seems to be a regular, but distorted, green-sleeved cane with white core. It might be a result of parts of the central portion collapsing, leaving just four prominent canes. [These comments based on a 400% enlargement of the seller's "bigger picture" view.]
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About the "Made in England" mark, yes I've seen that before - if my memory is serving me correctly. But it was many years ago at a CPC meeting and I did not not take a photo and I can't remember the details or who showed it. Sorry.
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Here is a similar weight of mine (some canes match) - but it has no etched mark.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w155/rosismum/112x.jpg)
Alan
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Possibly worth getting Bernard to compare the mark to those found on Walsh glassware. I doubt a separate stamp would be used for weights!
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hi regarding the made in england whitefriars did put made in england on the glass that was exported as all the white friars i have bought in canada has made in england on the base
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The source country identifying mark was required by the McKinley Tariff Act (1890's) for goods imported into the USA. Sometimes a label was sufficient but at other times it had to be permanently marked - not sure when it was relaxed though.
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Hi all
A very interesting weight and topic
As far I can establish from various Internet sources, the McKinley tariff act (1890) originally ONLY required the country of origin to be stated eg "England" - the act was amended in 1921 by requiring the addition of "made in" before the country name - although to cloud the issue, some english exporters - eg Wedgwood were marking their ceramics "made in England" as early as 1908.
The act seems to have been repealed in 1933 or 4 during the great depression when president Roosevelt who sought to increase foreign trade by reducing existing tariffs through the Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act. However that doesn't necessarily mean that the mark was removed from that date.
Best regards
Derek
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A lot of makers would have stopped marking as soon as possible, it was not considered a worthwhile expense. But where it was a part of standard marking it would have been continued at least until they changed the mark.
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Hi Frank
From the picture of the weight it doesn't look as if the "Made in England" was part of any other marking but a discrete etching - so given that it was time(money) consuming to add it, this would point to a date for the weight somewhere between 1921 and 1933/4
Best regards
Derek
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Hi Derek
I don't think the mark on the base points to that date range necessarily. The piece may well have come via Canada - where there seems to have been a long running requirement to mark all imported Whitefriars pieces (see earlier comments in this thread). Some of the canes in my weight match ones found in a couple of Whitefriars EIIR 1953 weights - though the canes could have hung around on the shelf for some time, I accept.
Alan
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white friars canes are still being used today by a glassblower called ray annenberg he worked at the factory up untill it closed in 1980
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Hi Layna
Here is a Ray Annenberg weight I own!
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w155/rosismum/WhiteAnnen2x.jpg)
Alan
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Hi all
I think we have all been put off the scent by the talk of the McKinley tariff act as that was a US act NOT a Canadian one !
Given that Canada was and remains a member of the Commonwealth I would be surprised if UK glass product was shipped to the US and then re-expored to Canada. It would surely have been exported direct.
There is little enough information available about the US Mc Kinley tariff Act but I can find nothing about similar import trade restriction acts in Canada.
By the early 1950's Whitefriars weights were generally very tidy - the etched one referred to here is far from tidy so I agree with Alan that if its a Whitefriars then it is no later than 1950/2. Latest date if the weight is a Walsh Walsh is the same as they closed in 1951.
Best regards
Derek
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The sequence of events that I had imagined was that the weight was exported to Canada as a new item in the early 1950s (thus requiring a Made in England mark in line with Layna's first comment), and subsequently found its way to the USA (from where it is now being sold).
Alan
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hi Alan i also own a ray annenberg weight just cant put a picture on yet was given to me pat hogan well we done a swap as i had a vase he liked (pat hogan is the grandson of james hogan who worked at whitefriars in 30/40s) i think they are really nice well made weights i collect mainly strathearn and vasart.