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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: Anne on July 07, 2008, 10:38:56 AM
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Can anyone help with this please? It's a footed bowl, glass not crystal I'm sure. (Has a clink when tapped rather than a clear crystal ring.)
Height: 4½" (115mm), diameter: 8" (200mm)
The foot is very slightly concave with the smallest of dimples which might be a polished pontil scar (½" (10mm). There is the feint trace of two mould marks on the side of the foot either side of the stem but these fade to nothing within a half-inch (centimeter) again.
The bowl has eight concave ribs internally, the outside of the bowl is totally smooth apart from the cutting. The bowl flares outwards at the top so the rim makes a hexagonal shape.
The cutting shows a floral pattern with a background of vertical cuts with circles at the bottom and ovals at the top of each. (Gosh, this is hard to describe!) The top rim has a leaf garland, and a sort of seed edging. The cutting has a very fine striated effect (like needlecord on fabric, but finer.) The glass feels good to the touch and has a nice clear bright look (no grey or yellow cast.)
Photos below show the whole from different angles and the pattern detail.
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Looks etched with engraving to me, but I could be wrong.
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Frank, it could well be. Thanks for the comment. I'm way out of my comfort zone again with this one, so any and all thoughts welcome.
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No etching there, all engraved (cut). Looks American, perhaps Imperial Molly. There are a few patterns that are similar. I don't have time now, but will look through my books later. Or you might try this site to look at some Molly yourself, see if there are any major differences (search for "molly and imperial" also try "liberty and octagon"):
http://chataboutdg.com/forums/
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Thanks Kristi, I had a look but can't find a match as yet.
It is definitely striated - the pattern detail shows the fine lines up on the edge pattern.
(Discussion re techniques split off to new topic: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,21998.0.html)
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Still searching for this patterned bowl's origins... any more thoughts please?
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Pretty piece! Put US? in the subject line so Ken and James see it. Worth a try. :X:
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I haven't been able to put my finger on it but for some reason this piece reminds me of Cambridge. I've been pouring over my books for a while trying to find the blank and pattern. I know that Cambridge used that particular vertical cut on quite a few pieces of stemware, most are Unknowns. I could be way off here, but just a thought.
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Good thinking Janice, have done so. :kissy:
Cypher, thank you! It doesn't feel English to me really (if you know what I mean!) so a US maker is entirely possible. Fingers crossed someone can pin it down for me. :thup:
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Hi,
I went through my book on Cambridge cuttings and didn't see it, I also checked Pairpoint, I'll keep looking!
Janice
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Thanks Janice, you're a star! :sun:
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Janice, Anne,
What struck me as Cambridge at first thought were the vertical cuts as I mentioned before. An example of this is Cambridge Pattern #3114 aka "Candlelight." I know that it is a cut pattern and not a grey cut as is Anne's bowl, but whenever I see that particular cut, I lean towards Cambridge. They also had another cut that took some effort to find as I thought for a second that I had located Anne's pattern. Cambridge cut #4075/pattern #7858. It is grey cut with vertical cut lines and a floral pattern. It turned out to be slightly off but it had a chance. Back to the books. :)
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Cypher thank you for checking, I've been through all the Cambridge patterns on Replacements.com and see what you mean by those vertical cuts looking like cut #4075 but it's not quite, as you say. I'll try and get some photos which show the design better - it's hard to get a decent shot of really. One thing I did notice was that Cambridge have some shaped bowls but they have 10 sides, whereas this one has just 8 sides. Does that help I wonder?
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I have looked through the references I have on cut glass, American Cut and Engraved Glass, The Complete Cut & Engraved Glass of Corning, The Essence of Pairpoint and not found this design. A company that did the lines is Sinclair and they did an edge that was close to this but still nothing exact and it might not be American! Hopefully one day we'll see that edge with the rest and finally know who did this lovely piece.
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I missed this one. This blank is not Cambridge, however it always causes confusion because its a ringer with those interior ridges, but the octagon rather than decagon edge is the key as I remember. This one should be posted to Chatabout as someone there with a more general knowledge of different company lines than I will probably ID it quickly. Anne if you wish & with your permission I could copy your pics & put it on the board & will clarify the ID is for someone on the GMB & if Ided I'll post it here if you are not a member, but I need your permission to do that or you can join ChataboutDG & post it...Christine is one of our members there so you won't be lonely. Ken
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Janice, thank you for continuing to search for me. :kissy:
Ken, thank you, that would be super. I did sign up at ChataboutDG but have only lurked occasionally and not posted, I'd not thought to post it there so that would be a good idea. Let's see if I can find my login details..... ahhh success, now to figure out where to ask about it and see if anyone can help. Thanks again Ken. :thup:
Edited to add: I've posted it now. :rah: