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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: uphoosier on July 26, 2008, 08:17:10 PM
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This blown vase with an optic pattern is about 7 3/4" tall. The feet and prunts are applied. The prunts around the top are not broken, they are made to look like coat hooks. I don't even know where to begin on this one. Any suggestions on where to start research regarding origin or even century? Thanks for looking.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10377 (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10377)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10376 (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10376)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10375 (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10375)
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I wonder whether the hooks would have been used for blown glass baskets? There are some shown on p. 183-184, Victorian Decorative Glass Mervyn Gulliver, ISBN 0-7643-1597-8. According to Gulliver, the baskets were little vases. If that were true, you could be looking at a Victorian piece. The acanthus leaf feet also suggest Victorian. Please wait for someone else's opinion though as I'm well out of my comfort zone here!
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It's the sort of thing Leni is good with methinks.
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I thought I had a picture of a piece like this in a book but couldn't find it! :spls: Seems like it had a glass chain and was connected to goblets or around goblets like for a wedding ceremony. If I ever find the picture I'll mark it and let you know! Sorry, that's not much help.
Janice
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Thanks for the comments. I searched for examples of "wedding goblets with chains" and about all I came up with was a souvenir goblet with a decal of Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw Massacre. ;) In my searches, I found very similar feet, particularly with all three being done in a single application, from early 19th century Boston and Sandwich Glass. I have had no luck at all with the hooks, however.
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Hi Uphoosier, Janice.
Janice, that sounds more credible, and it's ringing a bell... Here is a set of thorn vases from the same era. They would have been connected by chains.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,17691.0.html
Gulliver has a few illustrations from the British Design Register of sets of glasses which attached to vases with chains, in the configuration that Janice mentions. You'd imagine that they'd be awfully impractical! Leni would know more.
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Thanks Cathy! I did find a picture of a vase with chains in the Fostoria book but they had wire hooks and it wasn't what I was thinking of. Years ago while in a town about 80 miles south I saw some glass chain. They wanted too much for it but it was neat. The links on that piece were big, 1" long.
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Thanks to all for the references. I've recently moved to a very small town with a corresponding size library, so the specific book citations are a big help in ordering books. I did look through my American Glass book and had no luck finding any "horn" pieces. Seeing the older thread about Leni's set was very helpful.. Thanks again, and if anyone has any other ideas, I would appreciate a comment.
Ken
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There are a few sets with glass chains by Sinclaire shown in Sinclaire and Spillman, The Complete Cut and Engraved Glass of Corning. You can hardly see the photos, but I've seen pictures of others, too. They're called (in the US) "centerpieces" and have a center vase and several smaller vases, like Leni's set.
The shape of this is pretty distinctive, and those feet intrigue me. Is the pattern a single matching design on every foot? I don't think I've ever seen such an elaborate foot design constructed in that way. What do you call a tool that leaves an impression like that?
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The design is matching on all three feet. It appears to be pressed from the front with a corresponding slight protrusion on the back. I'll spend some time later with some of my glass books to see if I can come up with any info on this technique.
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All in one feet are quite common (and sometimes surprising complex) on late 19C/early 20C glass from Bohemia and possibly the UK, don't know about US glass. I have at least four pieces. See both pages here (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,20565.0.html) and also here (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,16539.0.html).
I'm not suggesting your vase is Bohemian BTW
John Walsh Walsh registered several designs for flower holder sets - vases linked by glass or metal chains, ribbons or arches in 1906-1909. I think arches, whatever they were made of, can be ruled out because of the hooks, but the other three options are all possible. (Gulliver p284-285) Your vase doesn't match any of the designs illustrated but the principle is the same.
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a tool that leaves an impression like that
Patterned pincers perhaps?
That's a crazy foot on Warren's vase, eh? I wasn't talking so much about the way the whole assembly was made as about the design on each foot. Maybe I just haven't been looking hard enough to have noticed something like it before. I've seen plenty that have parallel lines, fan shapes and others, just nothing quite that elaborate (that I remember, anyway!). No big deal, it would just mean using a tool with a fancier pattern, but I thought perhaps it was distinctive enough that it might point to a particular maker.
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Kristi, as I study ot closely, I think the feet were crimped twice with different tools. Once for the larger drape pattern and with a different tool on the tips of the feet.