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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Andy on August 06, 2008, 12:08:15 PM
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Just had this delivered, very happy and its a keeper, love the colour,
as i suspected, its not quite the same as my cellophane items, its not quite as heavy (almost)
it has a broken Pontil, 9 3/4" wide, 3 1/2" tall on a clear footed base.
Could it be a Scot?
Cheers,
Andy
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Not a clue probably European ;D
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Ah hah!
Maybe Schneider ;D ;D ;D
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Definitely not! Schneider with a broken pontil, you can hear the rattle of the Schneiders as they revolve in their graves. Modern Polish, judging from the underside.
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Cheers Ivo ;D
(sorry i was just kidding with Frank ;) didnt really think Schneider!)
Its a lovely bowl, certainly staying on the shelf, certainly not as old as 1930s,
a fair bit of age wear, I dont think it was made in the last few years, maybe 60s 70s 80s ?
I havent seen one quite like it.
Just thought id add acouple of photos, technique is interesting, the pattern seems to be cased
inside clear, both from top and bottom, glass about 6mm wide.
no texture, smooth, inside and out.
The pontil mark has been heated to get rid of sharp bits, and its a bit like a 4 way pontil
mark, like ive seen on some London studio glass.
Cheers
Andy
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Ivo, can you say which Polish companies left a pontil mark like this or was it the foot you were referring to ?
I'm finding use of this "cellophane" glass term confusing. Does anyone have a definition ? Is this a generally accepted term ? Thanks Ed.
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'Cellophane' is a 'collectors' term that I coined in the 1980's to make it easy to distinguish this particular type of glass that has eluded identification for 20 plus years. The colours used are transparent and have the 'look' of cellophane. Less useful now with web capabilities but this quality of the colour never really shows in photographs. It is all from a single source and the purple bowl is not it.
See rows 2-4 here http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/NotYsart.htm the second image in row 3 (green base) almost succeeds in showing this quality of the colour.
I will add larger images and more examples when I add this page to Scotland's Glass as a indication of glass often described as Monart that is not so.
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Thanks Frank
I did look at the examples on your site but still didn't get it, but since then I discovered your other postings on the subject and it's this explanation which I found most helpful:
Frank said "It is the similarity of the colouring to old cellophane sweet wrappers that lead to my term for the glass."
Ed.
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Ivo, can you say which Polish companies left a pontil mark like this or was it the foot you were referring to ?
I've come across the heated over pontil mark on many items of contemporary glass and I associate it with Polish. It is one of the reasons I turn an item over - to see if the pontil is finished in the recent manner. Not sure if these are from one of the colour glass works like Tarnowiecz or Makora - they may be from further afield - perhaps baltic.
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Heated over pontil mark = (maybe ) health and safety reasons, dont want to get sued for cuts :P
Andy
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Some Strathearn has a similarly treated scar where a gadget was used instead of a pontil iron.
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Thanks Ivo - noted.
Frank, I take it you're not suggesting it's Strathearn.
The detail pics remind me that I have seen a lampshade with dark / black outlines to the flattened frits like this which was listed as Peill & Putzler. However I have never seen any other P&P like this and very much doubt that P&P would finish a pontil in that way. So I guess another one down to wishful listing. Great lampshade though. Ed.
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P&P always finished with a proper polished out pontil mark, no shortcuts there.
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As are all my P&P I just hate to use the word "always". Thanks for the confirmation. Ed.
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Frank, I take it you're not suggesting it's Strathearn.
Not at all, just clarifying that Strathearn did start to change the way things were done. This bowl is lovely it would be nice to find a maker... perhaps someone will recognise the colours?
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Thanks for the comments on the bowl, its one of my favourite recent purchases,
and will be a keeper. I love the colour, and im sure its a good make,
Hopefully an id will come one day.
Cheers
Andy
;D
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One year or so ;)
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Andy,
I am pretty certain that this bowl is an unmarked piece of Teign Valley Glass (Bovey Tracey, Devon). They made spatter ware like this some years ago, which has been discussed on these boards elsewhere.
Cheers, Nigel
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Link with a link http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6373.0.html
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Thanks for putting in the link Frank.
Nigel
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Had a nice time at the National Glass fair yesterday, and i am 99% certain this bowl , as
Nigel suggested, is Teign Valley glass, a pic enclosed of a similar pattern , much smaller,
but same footed base and pontil, and with tvg on the base.
I will email http://www.teignvalleyglass.com/about.htm and see if they can confirm.
Thanks Nigel, and it was very nice to meet you at Birmingham, yesterday.
Cheers
Andy
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Good news :hiclp:
Recieved today from Teign Valley Glass,
'Dear Mr Hearne
Thank you for your message. Yes, we can confirm that this is a fruit bowl made by Teign Valley Glass. This is a range that we made to sell to various gift shops and galleries up until around 1995 and we still make occasionally for our own shop in Devon.
The reason it is not signed could be that it was originally bought in our own shop - we don't always sign this work - or possibly it may even have been a slight second, which again is not signed.
We did produce this bowl in a variety of colours so that would explain the blue one you saw.
We hope you enjoy it!
Best regards
Sarah Campbell
Sales Director
House of Marbles
Head Office
The Old Pottery, Pottery Road, Bovey Tracey, TQ13 9DS
Enquiries and Sales: +44 (0) 1626 835358'
Maybe this could be changed to a positive ID by a moderator?
And even better, saw this on ebay for 99p ! arrived today, bit smaller, but lovely little bowl ;D
Cheers
Andy
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