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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: mrvaselineglass on August 07, 2008, 09:36:42 PM
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I just got this sugar bowl in the mail today to match my creamer. I have no clue who made it, but it appears to be (by design, thickness, weight, simplicity of pattern, etc), a creamer and sugar made 1850-1860 in England. The pattern is large thumbprints, and where the thumbprints meet, there is a vertical diamond shape that connects the curve of the thumbprints. The sugar, with lid, is 5 3/8 inches to the top of the finial. the widest part of the base on the sugar is 5 1/4". The creamer is 5 5/8 inches to the top of the spout.
My second question: It is obvious that the pair were made by the same maker with the same design mold, but were made at two different times, as the color is different. IF this affects collectability, how much does it affect the value? If YOU were interested in flint creamer/sugar pairs, would the color difference be a turnoff to the point where you would have no interest? or....would it not bother you to display them as part of your collection?
Mr. Vaseline Glass
(Dave Peterson)
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Dave, I would NEVER mind any colour for a match - it could always be the missing link! Congrats on these! Also France and Russia comes to mind - Bernard, PLEASE! mind the foot please, which is always a good hint JMHO
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http://www.vaselineglass.org/sugarcreamerflint.jpg (http://www.vaselineglass.org/sugarcreamerflint.jpg)
I just got this sugar bowl in the mail today to match my creamer. I have no clue who made it, but it appears to be (by design, thickness, weight, simplicity of pattern, etc), a creamer and sugar made 1850-1860 in England. The pattern is large thumbprints, and where the thumbprints meet, there is a vertical diamond shape that connects the curve of the thumbprints. The sugar, with lid, is 5 3/8 inches to the top of the finial. the widest part of the base on the sugar is 5 1/4". The creamer is 5 5/8 inches to the top of the spout.
My second question: It is obvious that the pair were made by the same maker with the same design mold, but were made at two different times, as the color is different. IF this affects collectability, how much does it affect the value? If YOU were interested in flint creamer/sugar pairs, would the color difference be a turnoff to the point where you would have no interest? or....would it not bother you to display them as part of your collection?
Mr. Vaseline Glass
(Dave Peterson)
Dear Mr. Vaseline Glass, I have three items that seemed to match these. One is a sugar bowl minus its lid and a chip somewhere at the top (somebody being hungry). Which matches the one shown here. Also i have two of the jugs which have the same handle as the one shown here (molded istead of applied on separate) Except a variation of the same design of the jug shown here. All three items are clear flint glass. The style of foot on these which is the same as the ones that i have. The style of foot on these is like the Baccarat and St Louis pressed glass of the 1830s to 1840s. Also Boston and Sandwhich have similar style feet. One factory that springs to mind that has this kind of foot is Davis, Greathead and Green. Although that might have been others using the same foot style. If i saw these somewhere i whould probably buy them as i have the clear flint glass versions of these. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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The octagon and cross pattern was re-used by Sowerby for vases and other items in the late 1920s – early '30s, pattern 2481.
Pamela — my only knowledge of Russian glass is here (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6130.0.html), as Dave already knows.
Bernard C. 8)
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A search on "2481" on this board will reveal several Sowerby examples, such as this vase (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,33046.0.html).
Bernard C. 8)
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A search on "2481" on this board will reveal several Sowerby examples, such as this vase (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,33046.0.html).
Bernard C. 8)
Dear Bernard C, Thank you for your replies and comments. I have had another look at the three items that i have. The two jugs have the octogan and cross pattern and same handle but are slightly different to the one in the photo. Also the sugar bowl is of the same form as the one in the photo except that it does not have the octogen and cross pattern. Instead it has petals which follow the scallopes. Sorry about this as i thought that the sugar bowl had the same pattern as in photo. Regards Traditional Jazz.
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Dear Everyone at the Glass Message Board. I have recently found another jug which has the same form as these that are being discussed here. This is another version of the octogen and cross pattern. The ovals have squares inside which have four diamonds inside the the squares which are pointing in the direction of a diamond. Regards Traditional Jazz.