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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Andy on August 12, 2008, 03:25:31 PM
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I think i may have just had a good find, Charity shop £1.99
I havent seen WF Soda vase before, know very little, but saw it had polished pontil,
nice colour, well made and finished, so took enormous gamble and forked out my £2 ;D
Very dirty, still soaking in my pictures. (was very dirty)
About 8 1/2 inches tall , 7 inches wide, just looked in my Whitefriars book, Lesley Jackson, page 136
and it looks pretty similar :o
Friends, have i got a good'un ??
Andy
( ps i though at first it was modern, just seen one that Pip sold, base and top look the same to me)
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I cant find the shape in the Whitefriars catalogues 1964 or 1966,
Im pretty convinced its ok, Lesley Jackson states, the necks were hand finished and
vary quite considerably in height and diameter, and the large Amethyst vase in the book, Lesley
says 'probably an experimental piece made between 1961-63 cf.pat no. 9595'
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Caithness made some vases that IMO bear a striking resemblance to some of the WF soda range although I haven't handled any personally so I'm not entirely sure what the Caithness neck and base finishes are like. The WF one that I think you're referring to as sold in my shop is a different shape ....
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Hi Andy,
Sorry, but this is NOT a W/f's vase. Both the vase you are looking at in Jackson(ed) and the angular one have long been known as (Ithink) the only mistakes in the book. The Llight bulb shaped one is Scandinavian- sorry, I can't remember the manufacturer - and the angular one is by Ronald Stennett-Willson for King's Lynn Glass.
Take a close look and you will notice that the colours on those two pieces in particular are not consistant with the others. Sadly for new(er) collectors, the book doesn't come with a correction slip.
Cheers, Nigel
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Some suggested Holmegard ,Christina and Paul (circa glass used to collect them) i am sure they will come to the rescue i sold them one or two way back in the dark age. JP
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Hi John,
They've still got 'em, but sadly Christina couldn't bring to mind the name when I spoke to her earlier.
Nigel
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Definitely not Holmegaard. It's not a design I recognise from the factory, and during the period that they were prolifically using purple glass - the mid-1950s - all art glass was signed, even production seconds.
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Thanks everyone :clap:
Just back from the pub, gonna take up Stamp collecting from tomorrow ::)
Hi Andy,
Sorry, but this is NOT a W/f's vase. Both the vase you are looking at in Jackson(ed) and the angular one have long been known as (Ithink) the only mistakes in the book. The Llight bulb shaped one is Scandinavian- sorry, I can't remember the manufacturer - and the angular one is by Ronald Stennett-Willson for King's Lynn Glass.
Take a close look and you will notice that the colours on those two pieces in particular are not consistant with the others. Sadly for new(er) collectors, the book doesn't come with a correction slip.
Cheers, Nigel
Can i sue?
Kidding, Doh!
Learning every day ;D
Andy
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The shape of the neck is much the same as a larger green vase I have that has a Hadeland label from Norway. The body has slightly different shape but has polished pontil. I'll post a photo in the morning if that would help.
Yours might not be Whitefriars but it still looks like a good buy to me, lovely colour and shape, whoever made it.
Cheers, Iain
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Here are photos of my Hadeland glass. Did I say green? Mm, blue is closer to the colour. Mine is also signed ' Hadeland 59 WJ' (for Willy Johansson)
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Hi Iain I have that one also nice init, did you know it is illustrated in theV&A book Scandinavian glass and ceramics and was part of the exhibition that the book is based on. JP
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Hi,
No, it's not Hadeland. I see your thinking Iain, because of the general similarities of shape and one colour, however the one in the W/f's book has a cut and polished top with no pontil as it was blown using a mould. It is generally used as a floor vase because of its size - 37cm. The Hadeland piece is fire finished with a nice central polished pontil and although a decent size not really best used as a floor vase IMHO - great piece though.
The company I alluded to in the earlier post is, I believe, Swedish. I just wish I could bring it to mind.
Nigel
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Thanks everyone for your help on this one. :hiclp:
Im not disappointed its not Whitefriars, apart from identification :( thought i had it nailed!
Ive been looking around, there seems to be many companies (Scandinavia and everywhere else)
around 50s 60s that were making similar styles, i will go through more books and websites later,
the Hadeland looked good to me , others ive seen similar so far, if these jog your memory Nigel,
Magnor Norway? Kastrup?
Nice vase for £2 :D
Andy
ps . Is this still Soda glass? In Andy Mcconnells book, he shows examples and says all Soda glass,
what is Soda glass?
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Definitely not Kastrup either.
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Hi,
JONZEN'S - Importers based in the Gamages building, Holborn, of Swedish glass, but naturally enough no name of the maker. Apparently produced in Amethyst, Amber and Emerald.
I believe that the emerald has not been seen, however Blue has. Of course, this will be the point where corrections will come pouring in ;)
Nigel
(Thank you, Christina, for supplying the information.)
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Thanks Nigel, and Christina,
Nigel, im a bit confused, is the Swedish one you refer to, from Jonzens, the big one in the
Whitefriars book? with polished top, and no pontil?
Mine is much more like the Hadelands vase, fire polished top, and (almost) central pontil.
Cheers
Andy
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Andy,
Yes, the one in the W/f's book. Certainly not you're piece, which I tend to think is much younger.
Similarities in books are all very well, but you mustn't go down the route of thinking something similar is the same. Whilst it may be, it is far more likely, in my experience, that it will turn out wrong. It's all part of the fun of the search - and building up a working knowledge.
Cheers, Nigel
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Hi Nigel, wasn't the importer based in the Gamages building G.Hardy, and I know of a Jones and Co. who were also importers of Swedish and Italian glass who were based I think in Birmingham. Jonzens is a new one to me.
Emmi
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Jones - Jonzens maybe Christina had a couple of G&Ts when she wrote it down. PS Thanks Christina and Paul i got your letter a couple of days ago, see you soon.JP.
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John,
No, the information was taken directly from an advert, so NO G&T's involved.
Emmi,
Yes, I am aware of both the names you mention.
I try very hard to be accurate about this sort of information and would not profer it if there was any doubt, especially since I do not subscribe to putting up ideas to be shot down. Often this leads to confusion and inappropriate reporting - Chinese whispers, if you like :( Not good.
Nigel
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PS.
I note that on both the entries quoting me the appotrophe has been missed out :o
Nigel
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I was not doubting your information Nigel, nor shooting you down, if I gave that impression I apologise. I was just proffering information of my own and was surprised to learn of yet another importer called Jonzens. I have seen the labels of both Hardy and Jones, an would find it interesting to see one of Jonzens if someone may have one. Emmi
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Hi Emmi,
No apology necessary, but thank you. I was just concerned about muddying the waters by adding in extra information.
There is probably only one person who knows the detail behind the Jonzen name...........here endeth the fishing trip ;) :)
Cheers, Nigel
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Thanks Nigel,
maybe another with a label will turn up.
Cheers
Andy
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Did JOHNSEN & JORGENSEN LTD., (30, St. Bride St., London E.C.4) also import glass? We have adverts in GlassGallery for them as distributors for Sherdley glass, but the similarity to Jonzen makes me wonder if there's a link between Jonzen and Johnsen??
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Hi All,
I am NOT suggesting for one minute that this is relevent, however I have a bud vase with a generic JJ label on it. I have not managed to find any clues about the label and it just crossed my mind that it could possibly be related to this discussion. The bud vase itself shouts Czech made to me. Can anyone point me in the right direction to find out more about these/this company?
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No further info on your label, but this one does appear here.........this site is invaluable for bud vases and labels for same
http://www.glassbudvases.co.uk/
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Hi Vidrioguapo ,
Uh, did you check Pats (bubbles) website address in her previous post ;)
Andy
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Praise indeed Vidrioguapo, thank you! ;D ;D
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Uh, did you check Pats (bubbles) website address in her previous post (Can't find the quote thingy)
Sorry Andy, obviously not...Doh!
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Ah hah!
just worked it out,
my ex-Spanish girlfriend called me Guapo ;D (obviously)
Vidrio = Glass ;D
Answer =
Beautiful Man Glass !!
8)
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As my ID obviously suits you very well,.........I'd take any reasonable offer for it..........bit like car registration plates! ;D