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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: tipperrary on August 13, 2008, 01:33:11 PM
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a set of six....which came from the estate of a deceaced expert glass collector.....is there any way to tell if they are genuine 18thC thanks ,,...bill
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they remind me of late 18th glasses from
lauenstein / silesia. but that would be
a long way to tipperary, i guess?
fluorescence might give a clue about
age, but not necessarily... :huh:
do they have polished pontils?
have a look at these:
http://www.kastern.de/pdf_121/1347_1440.pdf
regards,
dirk
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thanks dirk...i bought them in a market in england....part of an enormous collection of very fine glass including...rock cut and fine carnivalware etc.....the owner had died..and family selling them on knew nothing about the collection.....there are no pontils present
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found another one:
http://www.antiquitaeten-czambor.de/Glas/Biedermeier/03566/
schreiberau is in silesia aswell.
the shape is more like your glasses´.
i´ve seen several of these with different bubbles
in the stem on ebay.
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I doubt this is 18th century - at least, not English versions. Main things are that the foot is not larger than the rim and even the flatter feet of 18th century glasses were actually "domed" (or "raised") to some degree and had a pontil scar.
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close up of the rim might help..
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thanks....good opinions coming here...i will do more pics :hiclp:
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1. have to correct myself:
"lauensteiner" glasses of course don´t come from lauenstein/silesia
but lauenstein/lower-saxony. you have my apologies!
(shame on me, it´s just around the corner... :hb2:
2. KevH, you´re right, they should be more "domed" to be late 18th.
3. Tipperrary, could we please have a picture of the bottom, too?
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thanks for the ongoing interest,....it doesnt do anything interesting under a uv blacklight...so here is a pic anyway
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difficuilt to photograph aa hope this helps
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Sorry I cannot contribute in this case BUT this shot is one for Calendar 2009! JMHO :angel:
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MEANT rimorr.jpg! Sorry for that, Anne will hopefully upload that one again!
Breathless P
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I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure these are much more recent. They look like glasses from the Dartington "Sharon" service, FT115 designed by Frank Thrower c. 1970 and still in production. See page 61 of "Frank Thrower & Dartington Glass" by Eve Thrower & Mark Hill.
http://www.dartington.co.uk/acatalog/Sharon-Claret.html
robbo
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By Jove, I think you're right
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well done robbo.....i been hanging onto these for 5 years wondering what they were.....they lack the outward curvature of a proper trumpet glass circa 18thC
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crossing centuries... and countries... ;D
thanks, robbo!
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I've got one in my kitchen cupboard. (OK there's a lot of other glasses there too, it's heaving :-X)
This discussion has been really interesting because the design of several of Dartington's stemware services draw on earlier English glasses.
You've only got to look at the "Victoria" service:
http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/diad/bres/pub/COID/234/076.jpg
which is a dead ringer for some of the better proportioned English C19th rummers.
The 1971 Dartington catalogue said Sharon was "really quite a sparkler" ;D
One to watch out for too is the variant with cut flutes on the stem and lower bowl.
Robbo
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yes..................
they are an enigma as none of my 6 are precisely identical....and they have the most beautiful ping.......
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Well they were handmade. Sharon only came in goblet, claret and sherry sizes originally. Frank's catalogue description of them was "stemming the tears"