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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Belgium and the Netherlands Glass => Topic started by: tipperrary on August 13, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
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fait in or en belgique .....is in raised letters upon the upper surface of this......it seems 30's or 40's to me.....i wonder if it can be traced to a maker...........diameter = 29cms
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Some of VSL's production was thus marked I believe. Certainly embossed (in the mold) "Belgique". I am less sure about the "fait en Belgique" mark.
Have a good click around here http://users.cybernet.be/darvani/Val_Saint_Lambert_Luxval.htm
Pete
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what a nice find again with this mark! Thanks a lot! Should be Josef Inwald Bohemia then!
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/06466.html
This is mine with an identical high pressed mark and it is no doubt Inwald.
Yours was also made for the FRENCH market - see here:
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/02946.html
Also Walther produced his 'Atlas' line for the Belgian market - marked BELGE
Marcus: PLEASE!!! :angel:
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:cry: no further responds?
please take note that I do not know everything! discussion is appreciated! sorry for obviously having been ...wrong? :mus:
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Hi Pamela,
Just short of time at the moment...
I need to check catalogues....
Regards,
Marcus
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...............my gut reaction to this one in the link.....is that mine is slightly darker and more weighty...
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/02946.html
mine is frosted between the swirls
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Very similar - but also clear pattern differences!
Pamela's has 24 ribs extending to the rim. Tipperrary's has 28 ribs.
Pamela's has 5 clear lines of bubbles / dimples extending from each of the central swirls (with some extra dimples filling in areas close to the swirls). Tipperrary's has 7 main lines of bubbles / dimples (also with extras near the swirls).
And different number of dimples / bubbles at the centre, with more in Tipperrary's example.
I wonder if the patterns differ because of different overall sizes of the items?
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:clap: GREAT comment and GRATEFUL ! Thank you Kevin!! Shall measure mine tomorrow - but fact is they originate from different moulds of course :-*
I'm sure Marcus will be of help after his tremendous work been done.
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http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/02946.html
mine measures 34 cms dia
;D
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is there a final word on this/..id love to know my maker
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What about Scailmont? Have you considered them?
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To the best of my knowledge pressed glass was not made in many factories, and apart from Sklo/Imwald impertinence, ONLY VSL ever used the 'Fait en Belgique' mark into their designs.
If it should come from any other factory then it would be a real breakthrough in our knowledge!
Boom made a little pressed glass before the war, (not bowls as far as we know) but AFAIK it was paper-labelled and never marked.
A French factory may have inherited the moulds from Boom in the 1970's (but it's unlikely they were ever used again).
We've also seen a base plate marked rather strangely 'Fait in Belgique'. Since this isn't correct French (or even Flemish), we assume this is one of the Bohemian imposters but can somebody confirm?!
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Scailmont certainly produced pressed glass in this particular colour pink; many pieces are marked "scailmont" but some are marked "Manage in Belgium" - Manage being the location. Then there were Havré, Boussu, VSL and Zoude who all did pressed glass - and there may have been others as well.
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Interesting Ivo,
Scailmont:
I've never seen 'export' marks on Scailmont which were impressed like this. Could you supply an example?
Boussu
I'd understood that they only did mould-blown glass at Boussu. Can you confirm a pressed glass item from this factory? and narrow down the years of production?
Zoude
According to your book the last glass at this location was in the 1870's ?! Have you got new information that could possibly link them with this sort of product? I'm unable to trace any record of them in the 20th century.
Thanks for your help.
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Boussu may have ended as a mould blower but they certainly did pressed glass at the end of the 19th ct. - and so did Rance, Ghlin, Familleureux and Bougard. I think (from memory) that Pamela has a Scailmont piece on her website with export marks. Zoude of course merged into VSL but they pioneered the technique of glass pressing.
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Let's try to reach a conclusion for Tipperary, then.
Surely we all agree that this design must be 1920 or later?! (If it were earlier there would be more possibilities.)
So the final word is 'almost certainly' VSL.
There is a possibility that it's from Scailmont but !IMHO!!!! I'm personally sceptical abouth that. (The items I've had in my hand are mostly quite rough quality and I don't associate them with moulds requiring this much sharp detail, but this is more an aesthetic guess on my part). The pieces I have found are marked 'Verreries de Scailmont-Manage Belgie' or 'Manage - Belgique'
There was no production at Boussu 1910-1960, as far as I can tell.
There MAY be a possibility that this is a Bohemian 'clone' with a mark which is intended to deceive, and we have to wait for Marcus to tell us about that!
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There is a possibility that it's from Scailmont but !IMHO!!!! I'm personally sceptical abouth that. (The items I've had in my hand are mostly quite rough quality and I don't associate them with moulds requiring this much sharp detail, but this is more an aesthetic guess on my part). The pieces I have found are marked 'Verreries de Scailmont-Manage Belgie' or 'Manage - Belgique'
I once owned a very detailed piece from Scailmont designed by Charles Catteau - it sold on eBay for £275 and I certainly wouldn't describe it as 'quite rough quality' !!!!
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ok Pip, perhaps I'm overstating it...what I really mean to say is that their moulds do not seem as sharp as the other factories mentioned (VSL/Walther/Imwald), but I admit it's an opinion biased by limited experience!
Perhaps they just had good days and bad days? ;-) After all, I do!
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ok Pip, perhaps I'm overstating it...what I really mean to say is that their moulds do not seem as sharp as the other factories mentioned (VSL/Walther/Imwald), but I admit it's an opinion biased by limited experience!
Perhaps they just had good days and bad days? ;-) After all, I do!
LOL too true Jay - I have more bad than good days when it comes to ID'ing glass - thank heavens for the GMB.
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And of course Scailmont became part of VSL anyway....so perhaps this is splitting hairs?!
It is thought that most of the Luxval production went there once it became VSL and then it would probably have got this sort of mark.
Correct Ivo?
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phew.........much to think about...im putting it on ebay soon with all my glass.....how much do you think its worth
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Here's a piece with Fait En Belgique stamped on it.
Hope it helps clear the waters rather than muddy them further...
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yes...good lead...which maker is it? cheers bill
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Ay, there's the rub...
Hoping that one of the experts may recognise it, and thereby go some way to solving both mysteries.