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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: dirk. on September 01, 2008, 04:03:40 PM
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hello and thanks for having a look!
brought this vase from yesterday´s flea market.
i´m sure i´ve seen a very similar one in a shop
two years ago, which was attributed to venini.
would that attribution be correct or am i falling into
the same wishful thinking as that seller? :huh:
it´s 18.5 cm resp. ~7.4" high
any help is much appreciated!
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The finish looks similar to some Heron Glass I've seen (UK base art glass studio), but I can't find an example for you on the internet or ebay right now.
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thats strange, I was just thinking I have a Mdina cylinder vase with that design in the glass,
then i read Max's reply.
But, the shape of the vase is all wrong for that, I'm intrigued.
martin :huh:
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thank you both!
i donated a vase with a similar finish to my mother
last christmas. only difference is that the ´freckles´
(sorry, need to catch up with english glass terms ::))
are a bit protuberant unlike to the completely smooth
surface of this one.
i´ll post some pictures this weekend...
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I don't think the Mdina 'white, blobby, marvered-in colour' vases are irridescent though, are they?
I know the ones you mean though. :)
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quite right Max, it just struck me how similar the pattern was.
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The only thing i would say that it is not - is Venini - in my ever so humble opinion . : :angel:
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The only thing i would say that it is not - is Venini - in my ever so humble opinion . : :angel:
I think I would second that in my even more humble opinion ;)
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thanks JP and Adam, too.
your ´humble´ opinion is much appreciated!
(*humble* - understatement at it´s best 8))
my summary so far:
1. :sigh:
2. unknown vase of unknown origin by unknown maker
3. mistrust a seller´s attribution and don´t use it to start a post
4. :need to get me a glass of red wine:
i´ll add some pictures of my mother´s vase on saturday...
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3. mistrust a seller´s attribution and don´t use it to start a post
Have to disagree there Dirk! Yes, mistrust a seller's attribution (if you don't know and trust him/her) but DO use it to start a post. ;) In fact, if you just want to say 'Hey look what I've bought!!' then that's fine too. :D
Everything we see here adds to our knowledge and maybe at some point, someone will see a vase just like yours with a sticker and let you know definitely who made it.
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Seconded! :)
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Thanks for your encouraging words!
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Just for the record, I will add a couple of images soon of a very similar vase I bought well over 10 or maybe even over 15 years ago. Mine has a different body shape and the colour splashes are green, but neck and rim are identical and so is the very light iridescence. The whole thing is very light in weight - which is what really struck me when I first handled it. No idea where it was made though! It was another example of "something different" when I was in a period of filling up shelves with not-so-costly items.
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Pic 1 - full vase (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10568)
Pic 2 - base (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10567)
Height ... 8 inch (20.3 cm)
Width at body widest point ... 4 1/4 inch (10.8 cm)
Thickness just below rim edge ... less than 1/16 inch (2-3 mm)
Weight ... 13 1/4 oz (377 gramme)
When held by the base, and tapped, it has a "thin tin-like" sound. When held by the rim and tapped it has a "dry thunk"! I bought this at a local general fair in the UK and nobody at the time knew a likely maker. I certainly don't think it's Venini.
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I tell you who is good at identifying that type of glass - Richard Golding of Okra he was spot on with one of my tricky pieces a few years back . thats not all he is good at JP . :hiclp:
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I represented a company in the US that imported and sold some similiar vases about 18-20 years ago that were produced in China. They were irridized with the frit decoration and very thin. Rather good quality but was too "run of the mill" design to sell in the US at that time.
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sorry, can´t keep my promise. the other vase can´t
be found at the moment. (my mother looked a bit embarrassed,
she probably broke it?)
KevH: wow, that´s very close. the thickness and the sound,
which the greenhorn i am forgot to describe, match to mine aswell.
Furman Glass: that´s interesting; i remember the seller had chinese
snuff bottles and fake gallé vases in his range.
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Yes, Dirk. Our items are so close as to make me think that there could well be a whole range of these things out there - same rims but various body shapes and in a variety of colours. But until now, I have only ever seen my own example!
However I could easily believe these were of Chinese origin as Tom has suggested.
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I just remembered that I think these may have come from Lucky Glass Co. in China. I used to have some of their older catalogs. I'll try to remember to look and see if I still have them. I think Lucky was one of their larger glass companies with lots of employees. It's not unusual for glass companies over there to have 1500+ employees.
Tom Fuhrman
www.fuhrmanglass.com
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Not knowing what I am talking about here at all.....but the iridescent finish reminded me of my perfume bottle the (somewhat) iridescent finish on my I-Rice piece.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19026.0.html
and most likely, out in left-field.... :-\
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Tom, if you actually have a catalogue from Lucky Glass, and could post images, we would be forever in your debt! I hope it's still tucked away somewhere.
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Didn't find the Lucky glass catalog but found similar pieces in one from the 80's from Taiwan, Best World Inc. also found lots of other stuff in my archives from the 80's, catalogs from J Glass, Whitefriars, perthshire, Midsummer Glassblowers, London Glasshouse, Langley, Colin Reid, Okra Glass, plus lots of tohers as well as many from US studio makers from that time.
will try to post some of them , but have trouble getting my images small enough.
Tom Fuhrman
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Best World Inc. catalog shot
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thank you all for sharing your thoughts and pictures!
Tom, the vases in your catalogue seem to have a
different rim finish than Kev´s and mine?
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there are others in the catalog that have the same crimp on the top as yours do. This is made by lying it on a wire fixture that has 5 wires coming out of a center like spokes of a wheel. when it is hot and the glass gently slumps down between the wires or sometimes it is done by hand using one or 2 of the thin parts of the jacks. see the center vase in attached photo.
Once the piece is blown in the mold a punty or set of snaps is attached and it can be manipulated in many ways, making all kinds of things like vases, pitchers, baskets, jars, etc. from it by varying the way the lips are opened or closed. adding handles, feet, whatever you can imagine.
Many of these same molds were used by different companies and in Taiwan during the 60's-80's there were many glass companies all in the same location so they exchanged many molds, jigs, and workers on a regular basis. The huge factory site was owned by one company and they sublet individual areas to different small groups that made all sorts of different things. Each was known as a separate company and had it's own entrance and sign that hung over the door. I think most of the glass industry in Taiwan has since relocated to mainland China. Then there were all types of "trading" companies that bought and resold glass from all these little companies and they produced things on order for whatever the customer wanted.
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Hi Tom,
Those are absolutely brilliant! Would you mind if we put those in the Glass Gallery for safe keeping?
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... have trouble getting my images small enough.
If you have Office just rightclick the picture and open with "Microsoft Office Picture Manager" - it will let you rescale, resize, reframe and is brilliantly simple.
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be my guest, put them in the gallery, I have quite a few more pages from their catalog as well that I did not share with you yet.
Tom Fuhrman
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this one looks quite a bit like the one in the best-world
catalogue snapshot
it´s 154mm resp. 6" high