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Title: Recognize this mark on Bohemian-style engraved piece? Lobmeyr?
Post by: krsilber on October 02, 2008, 01:21:06 AM

This is listed as having a Lobmeyr mark, but it appears to be different from the one I'm familiar with.  Anybody know it?  And has anybody seen this style of engraving documented as Lobmeyr?  I've seen a fair few forest scenes attributed to them, but never one that was marked, and no documentation of them having made any.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lobmyer-Artist-Signed-Engraved-Deer-Glass-Compote_W0QQitemZ320306787249QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320306787249&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Title: Re: Recognize this mark on Bohemian-style engraved piece? Lobmeyr?
Post by: Frank on October 02, 2008, 09:04:32 AM

It does not match any Lobmeyr marks in Hartman, which should read J L B. Nor is that mark listed.

The signature is similar to E Vogel, decorator Haida, Bohemia first half of 20th century. Bonn's Rheinbach museum catalogue for 1988 by Günter Irmscher lists the E Vogel signature.

Title: Re: Recognize this mark on Bohemian-style engraved piece? Lobmeyr?
Post by: Sklounion on October 02, 2008, 02:30:15 PM

Hi,
Fairly typical engraving by E Vogel of Meistersdorf. Some examples from Uwe Wolf's very good selection of Jagdgläser:

http://www.glaswolf.de/Jagd-Pokal-signiert.1047+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMDQ3JnByb2R1Y3RJRD0xMjI1MCZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD0xMDQ3JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html

http://www.glaswolf.de/Jagd-Pokal-signiert.1047+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMDQ3JnByb2R1Y3RJRD0xMjI1MSZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD0xMDQ3JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html

http://www.glaswolf.de/Jagd-Pokal-signiert.1047+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMDQ3JnByb2R1Y3RJRD0xMjMyOCZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD0xMDQ3JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html

Regards,

Marcus

Title: Re: Recognize this mark on Bohemian-style engraved piece? Lobmeyr?
Post by: krsilber on October 02, 2008, 04:56:36 PM

Thanks, Frank and Marcus - E. Vogel it is!  I wondered whether one of the letters in the second mark was "H" and corresponded to Haida.  Maybe they are 2 Hs perpendicular to each other??  Meisterdorf is close enough that Vogel may have associated himself with that name, I suppose.

That's a nice array of Jagdgläser, Marcus, thanks for drawing my attention to it.  I've been to that site a few times, but don't remember those...obviously need to explore it more.

Frank, I thought the Lobmeyr mark was J L W, the W standing for Wien.  No?

Title: Re: Recognize this mark on Bohemian-style engraved piece? Lobmeyr?
Post by: Frank on October 02, 2008, 06:11:59 PM

Probably

Title: Re: Recognize this mark on Bohemian-style engraved piece? Lobmeyr?
Post by: Sklounion on October 02, 2008, 08:35:21 PM

Quote

I wondered whether one of the letters in the second mark was "H" and corresponded to Haida.  Maybe they are 2 Hs perpendicular to each other??  Meisterdorf is close enough that Vogel may have associated himself with that name, I suppose.

Hi
I'd be very cautious about speculation regarding the second mark. Better to ask Uwe Wolf or Jan Kilian to have a look at the item.
Regards,
Marcus

Title: Re: Recognize this mark on Bohemian-style engraved piece? Lobmeyr?
Post by: krsilber on October 03, 2008, 01:46:33 AM

Well, it's not something I'm going to buy anyway, I was just curious about it and wondered whether anyone here knew.  I don't think there's any danger in speculating, it's when drawing conclusions that one should be cautious.