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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Germany => Topic started by: oyemicanto on October 06, 2008, 08:54:06 PM
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Hello members,I bought this bowl in a charity shop last week for £1.99 and would be grateful if anyone had any info please on it? I think with the colour of the pink glass could possibly be Walther.Not sure if it is a float bowl or a comport top as it does have a deep base that may fit on something? Always glad of any contributions.Thank you very much.
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I think it's a Bagley (3061) Equinox flower bowl; it was probably sold as a set with a plinth and a flower block. They were made from 1938-1975. What size is it? Info Bagley Glass, Bowey, Parsons and Parsons
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Hi Christine,thanks for the reply.It measures 31cm across.Ive seen lots of Bagleys equinox bowls but this one is different,seems wider and the wavy rim isnt as tight as the equinox.I live not too far from Knottingley where Bagley was based and have had the pleasure of seeing the glass room in Pontefract museum and its a pleasure to see all the glass together! Thanks
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Way too big then. Crown Crystal also had a lookalike Equinox, but that had stippled sections. The colour also reminds me of what I think are Czech desert sets - veering towards pale red rather than the peach pink of most pink glass. I think I might opt for a Czech lookalike, Marcus?
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Hi again all,here are 2 more pics of the bowl.Notice how the base is deeper than normal.I have something similar to this bowl but the rim is up-turned and deeper in green glass,has exactly the same base as the pink bowl as if to fit onto something? Thanks all
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Hi,
Imho, Spojené České Sklárny n.p. Heřmanova huť, Czechoslovakia. Certainly the size would be right, as this is probably a variant of the 230mm diameter bowl, pattern number 19617, which dates to 1947, and almost certainly designed by František Pečený, as the pattern numbers for this service come immediately after his "Halifax" pattern service, which is well documented as his first pattern for the factory. Sadly, the 1950s catalogue does not show this exact variant. However the underbowl radial ribbing would be consistent with the pattern, I am thinking of.
Regards,
Marcus
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could also be a Brockwitz Dresden with its incredibly missing glass to fill the form?
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Definitely not Equinox - lots of points of difference, the most important being that Equinox has a square base.
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Hello,
I've just joined so this is my first reply, I think your bowl is the comport bowl from the Walther Neptun (Fish base) set as in the 1936 catalogue.
Regards,
Barb.
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Hi Barb, thanks for your information! I haven't got the pink fish base but I do have it in green and tried it on there and what do you know it fits!!! I then checked my Walther catalogues for 1936 scrutinising it and you are absolutely right it is the comport top for the Neptun I can't believe I missed it! Its good to know now all I need is the pink base,though I do have the fish dressing table set in pink so could try on top of the candleholder.Thank you again for your input!
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Hi again,here is a quick pic I took of the bowl on top of the fish candle holder as you can see it fits perfectly to complete the Neptun comport,obviously the correct base has a ruffled base.Thankyou once again!
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Hi again,here is a quick pic I took of the bowl on top of the fish candle holder as you can see it fits perfectly to complete the Neptun comport,obviously the correct base has a ruffled base.Thankyou once again!
So glad I could help, It looks great!
Regards,
Barb.
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I'm not convinced. Pamela shows the Neptun bowl as this (http://pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/06190.html), which has different panels and pointy bits, and has design elements in common with Poseidon here (http://pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/06188.html)
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Hi there,there are probably different variations for example in the catalogues the Poseiden bowl is shown on the Nymphen comport base and also on the 3 graces comport as well as its original Poseiden base as in Pamelas pages.I have the catalogues on cd and it definately shows the bowl on top of the fish base and is titled Neptun I will try and down load the picture to show.Thanks for your reply.
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My doubt was not about what the bowl is for or where it goes, but whether it really was a Walther bowl, particularly as Marcus gave you a different possibilty. Pamela's bowl is distinctly different and she doesn't attribute without evidence. I've now found the catalogue here (http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2002-3-2-mb-walther-1936.pdf), page 8
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Looking at the catalogue in Christine's post above, page 8, top left quadrant, what appears to be the same bowl is shown as Walther Neptun. Unless evidence is elsewhere to the contrary, I'd think that's a pretty good match.
Pamela's Nepun green set looks to be two different greens on my screen - is one uranium and one not I wonder, or is it just my screen?
Marcus' comment was based on the similarity to known Czech pieces.
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I meant to say I now agree its Walther. Looking further through the catalogue, there seems to be confusion about what some of the figures are called and what the bowls or bases are called. The name of a figure in one bowl is then applied to the bowl on its own, then the same figure appears in a different bowl with a different name. Looks like they needed a good sub-editor!! Too late to apply for a job I suppose
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Hi to all contributers to this subject I would like to thank you all for your kind and hard work in researching the origins of this bowl,its good to know there are people who put the effort in.Thanks again!