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Title: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: cjones on October 20, 2008, 01:05:05 PM
Hi - this is my first posting but I hope not my last. I have been a collector for many years but only in this last 6 months have I really started to collect in earnest - mostly Whitefriars and any other art deco. To make room for my new additions I have had a clear out. Most I have managed to identify but I am not so sure about these pieces. I believe they are Victorian but have not seen anything really matching it to be able to identify and value.
Your help will assist me in deciding whether I keep, take to the charity shop, or sell.
The photo isn't too clear - the pattern is ivy leaves. Condition except for 1 tiny chip on sugar bowl very good.
Thanks in advance :)
Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: chloe on October 20, 2008, 01:16:05 PM
I dont know if you've seen this site before, but I've found it very helpful in id'ing pressed glass

http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/index2.html

ETA: Oh, I forgot to say hello!!!  I'm fairly new here but it's a fabulous & helpful site.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: jsmeasell on October 20, 2008, 01:17:40 PM
What are the dimensions of these pieces? I suspect they are "miniature" in scale, not the typical 4-5" tall cream jug and 6-7" d. sugar basin?

My wife and I have the miniature set in black, very attractive but no manufacturer's markings.
Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: cjones on October 20, 2008, 01:25:01 PM
Thanks for a speedy response it looks perfect
Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: cjones on October 20, 2008, 01:28:04 PM
Hi sugar is 3.5 " heigh - sugar 2.5 " high Thanks
Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: jsmeasell on October 20, 2008, 01:37:01 PM
Same size as ours in black! We bought our set (10-12 pounds, as best I recall) just recently on Portobello Road.

There are other items with the "ivy leaves" motif. We have a large crystal celery holder, but again no mfgr's markings at all.
Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: cjones on October 20, 2008, 01:50:59 PM
Thanks James that's really useful
Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: Sid on October 21, 2008, 12:38:58 AM
Hello:

This nice little set can be found in cobalt blue, teal, black and clear in this individual size.  As well, there is a full size set of cream, sugar basin and celery vase.  I have found the first two full size pieces in cobalt blue, black and clear.  There is also a posy vase that looks like it matches this pattern.

Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: cjones on October 21, 2008, 07:23:59 AM
Thanks Sid that's good to know. Do you know who the manufacturer was ?
Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: Bernard C on October 21, 2008, 09:53:59 AM
Over the years I've seen this design attributed to more or less every British manufacturer, including little-known firms like John Ford & Co. of Edinburgh, A.M. Allen of Glasgow, and Edward Bolton of Warrington.   The difficulty is that there has never been a shred of evidence in favour of any of these assertions.   Indeed I am not even certain that Edward Bolton, in particular, actually made any pressed glass at all.

This pattern has the distinction of being my longest running mystery, as I bought a black sugar and cream in it during my first few weeks of dealing in glass, a long long time ago.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: cjones on October 21, 2008, 10:01:56 AM
Thanks that's really interesting. I will hold onto my little mysteries as they really are very sweet !!
Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: ChrisStewart on October 22, 2008, 07:33:53 AM
Hi,
    One possibility for this set is Davidson. They made a covered sugar (No 157) in this ivy leaf pattern.

In my list of glass in storage I have for box 34 (which is buried deep in may garage) 'Davidson ivy leaf sugar and cream'. What I cannot remember is whether I wrote Davidson because it has the lion trademark or because it's similarity to the No 157 covered sugar. Unfortunately It will be a while before the archeologists unearth box 34 for me !

Regards

Chris
Title: Re: New member - hello and some advice please Victorian cream,sugar
Post by: cjones on October 22, 2008, 07:37:12 AM
Thanks Chris I will look into Davidson