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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: incazzatonero on November 13, 2008, 07:19:20 PM
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I have got this little nice item short time ago.
I was surprised of the pretty canes, but I have still difficulties
of ID.
Sometimes they seemed to me english or scottish,
somtimes french.
Kind regards.
Lothar
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I have a Murano weight that has orange-red and green canes that are very similar to what you have. The white canes around the outer edge look like Murano to me too. Do you have a picture of the entire weight and a picture of the base?
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I am totally sure that tis item and the canes are NOT Murano.
Regards.
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Do you have a picture of the base and a full shot of the entire weight and a side view? These are also helpful clues when the canes are unfamiliar.
It's definitely not Scottish or French. Those 'zig zag' white canes look very Murano to me.
Additional photos would be very helpful.
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Hi Lothar
I agree that based on the photos supplied so far it look Murano to me as well - is that brown adventurine between the canes.
Photos as requested by Glasstrufflehunter are need to aid positive identification.
You seem sure it is NOT Murano - why is that??
Best regards
Derek
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Hello!
Excuse me all: that item is not a paperweight.
It is a pendant.
The "cane setting" is on a oval piece of copper, so it is NOT goldaventurine.
I can`t give more pictures, because I am in hospital and this one are the only pictures which I have with me on the laptop.
Kind regards.
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I couldn't tell you where the pendant was made, but whoever made it used Italian canes.
I did some copper enamel work ages ago. I used bits of glass and powdered glass and fired them into the copper in a kiln. Nothing so nice as what you have. They got the canes fused to the copper without ruining them. I can't say I could have done as well. A very nice find.
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Hallo glasstrufflehunter.
Thanks for answering and informations.
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Could these possibly be Effetre / Moretti millefiori canes, which can be purchased on the internet for jewellery making? http://www.crloo.com/Products/Lampworking_Glass/Effetre/Effetre_5/effetre_5.html
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I don`t believe so, because the item and the canes look like more then 50 years old.
Regards
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It is intriguing that such distinctive canes are not yet recognised... has Bohemia been ruled out?
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It is intriguing that such distinctive canes are not yet recognised
Well, I'd have said I 'recognised' them as Murano ::) And since Lothar says they definitely aren't, I'm afraid I am bowing out! :huh: :-\
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Hello Frank!
I am thinking like you.
The best idea for me till now is Bohemian.
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They don't look like Effetre to me. The photos I've seen of Boh weights don't look like these canes.
They still look like Murano to me. I know both Fratelli Toso and Seguso included 'zig zag'(for want of a better term) canes in their pieces. I have another Murano piece I have not yet identified as to maker that also includes zig zag canes.
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I also thiink Murano. A comparison to current day Effetre canes would be flawed if the item is 50 years old. We need to compare to Murano canes that are 50 years old. And in that regard I agree with everyone that it was made with Murano canes. In my expersience Murano cane designs have migrated very slowly, but many times that migration (ie change in designs) can be precipitated by world wars and the like where iron moulds would have been used for the war efforts. At any rate, if you had asked me the time frame of these canes I would have said second quarter 20th century based on the construction style. That certainly fits with the 50 years old assertion. And since everyone seemd to be saying Murano canes, except for the owner, I think we need to hear from the owner as to why she believes they are not Murano canes.
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... why she believes ...
Err, by Profile, Lothar is male, I believe :)
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Allora sono mascile! E`vero!
Mea culpa!
Mea maxima culpa!
The enigma for me seemed to be resolved now, because 3 experts are saying: MURANO!
:hiclp: Bravo:glasstrufflehunter.
:hiclp: Bravo:derek.
:hiclp:And: I can`t believe it, but I have asked Kerstin Stammwitz ( a wellknown paperweight dealer in germany).
She says also : It is 99,99% MURANO!!!
But: where can I see canes like above which are verifyed (?) Murano?
Has anybody a picture for me?
Thanks for discussing and kindly regards.
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Ahem >:D
It is intriguing that such distinctive canes are not yet recognised
Well, I'd have said I 'recognised' them as Murano ::)
:angel:
I thought some of the canes were a little like the ones in this green and white weight of mine, and some very like the white canes in this snow scene (complete with Murano label)
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Hello Leni.
O.K.: I am 61 years old.
Me eyes are not as good as before,
but I can see similar structures and similar forms and so on.
Please excuse me, I can not find, that one of the canes of your 3 paperweights are similar
to the canes of my item.
For me the are differnet.
Sorry.
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OK. I said I though some of the canes were a little like. You think not.
Good luck with identifying your item.
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Hello Leni.
O.K.: I am 61 years old.
Me eyes are not as good as before,
but I can see similar structures and similar forms and so on.
Please excuse me, I can not find, that one of the canes of your 3 paperweights are similar
to the canes of my item.
For me the are differnet.
Sorry.
As a glassblower I have to agree. The technique in the two canes is quite different, even though the end appearance is very similar.
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That green and white weight is a stunner. Very beautiful!
I have quite a few Murano weights with zig zag canes. Tomorrow I will put up close-ups of them when I have good light for taking pictures.
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Here's some of my 'zigzag' cane pictures. Pictures 1-3 are fairly new pieces. I think they're Fratelli Toso but they feel different from the stuf I know is FT. The fourth picture is a Seguso.
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Sorry for the multiposts. I wanted to get all the pictures in.
The second picture is Fratelli Toso. The others are mystery Murano pieces. I have a lot of Murano glass and did not include all of them. :D
The last photo shows red and green canes similar but not identical to the ones in Lothar's piece.
None of the zigzags are identical matches but they're pretty close which is why my first impression on the pendant was Murano.
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Hello glasstrufflehunter!
It was very kind of you, to send all the pictures.
Many thanks!!!!!!!!! :hiclp:
For me it will be more and more evident, that the
canes are probably Murano.
Regards
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The enigma for me seemed to be resolved now, because 3 experts are saying: MURANO!
:hiclp: Bravo:glasstrufflehunter.
:hiclp: Bravo:derek.
:hiclp:And: I can`t believe it, but I have asked Kerstin Stammwitz ( a wellknown paperweight dealer in germany).
She says also : It is 99,99% MURANO!!!
er....shouldn't that be 4 experts?
:hiclp: Bravo:Leni
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oahh...
excuse me:
yes, it is true:
:hiclp: MOLTO BRAVO LENI