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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: David555 on September 06, 2005, 07:07:43 PM
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Hi
I have a fair few of these bowls - sold some on eBay, kept most - for some reason many seemed to have turned up in Scotland?
Amazing quality in varied shapes (seaform) - all using triple layer with gold and silver aventurine - these bits seem to keep their labels well and it's nice to have most with even slightly worn ones - label says 'Hand Made Genuine Venetian glass - Made in Murano Italy, Vetro Artistico Veneziano'
I have not seen many with labels on ebay or at auctions - maybe I don't get out enough LOL
I am sure you all have loads of these, but any history would be appreciated - I can still buy the larger bits (1.5k+) for under £20.00 - good investment?
I am not completely sure of age but they feel so 60's
http://tinypic.com/dfgml4.jpg x 3
http://tinypic.com/dfh6w0.jpg x 3
Thanks
Adam D555 :twisted:
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Good thing that these Scots keep the labels on so you don't have to ask around who made them.
The two that have no label bear a strong resemblance to the beige ones that used to turn op here a lot - and which I have found several times with a label "Zwiesel Farbglashütte". Even with that label the salesperson will insist it is Murano! So here is my guess: labels on the underside survive, labels on the inside of ashtrays do not.
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That is a good point Ivo
All the labels are on the quite large round flat bases of these bowls or on a flat part near the base (those are best condition)
I have found that companies (not just Murano) that put labels on the inside or surface have had those labels come away over time - this company could easily have placed a label on surface but did not - also they are thick foil and glued on like nothing else LOL
Adam D555
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Vetro Artistico Veneziano
I'm confused ....again !!! (its a common occurrence !)
Is this label just another generic retailer or importer label ?
Vetro Artistico Veneziano sounds as though it could be a company name
Murano Magic lists one called "Vetri Artistici Muranesi Societa per Azioni" a bit longer granted. Anyhow that closed in 1947.
I don't know how comprehensive or up-to-date the book is.
Or is it just another flowery way to say Murano Glass ?
The translation would be: Artistic Ventetian Glass
If a retailer or importer label I wonder if it could be associated with a particular Murano company or group of companies. I think it would be unusual for one retailer / importer to represent or buy from more than half a dozen at most at a time.
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VAMSA
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Well, sorry if I am being slow, but no.
I can see that its the acronym of the name you quoted and I can see from Murano Magic that Barbini was the Maestro there from 1937-44.
But apart from one piece shown in the book I have never seen anything else attributed to this compnay specifically and am hard put to think of anywhere I have ever even come across the name on or offline, till now.
Ooops Laura mentioned it in her posting of Sep 29, 2005 6:08 pm
BUT that doesn't really advance our knowledge of Vetro Artistico Veneziano labels ......or does it ? Are you saying there's a connection ???
and that Adam.s piece are late 30s and 40s vintage ? ......Really ?????????????????!
So..................
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You're the one who dropped Vamsa (a famous outfit, honestly!) into the conversation, but they do not seem to have any relation Vetro Artistico Veneziano. :roll:
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Vetro Artistico Veneziano sounds as though it could be a company name
Merely to illustrate that words such as vetri / vetro, artistici/ artistico, Veneziano / Muranese are used as part of company names that's all !!!
I'm trying to say that it's sometimes difficult to know whether these words should be taken as names or as adjectives.
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In any case it is nice to know that "Veneziano" refers to Venice, and as you know there is no glass production in Venice itself, only refineries. The glass makers are concentrated in Murano. So if you run into glass with a "venice"sticker - think decorator, think Chinese import, be suspicious. :D
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Good Point Ivo Thank you
The two that have no label bear a strong resemblance to the beige ones that used to turn op here a lot - and which I have found several times with a label "Zwiesel Farbglashütte".
Like this one ?
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~abel/itsavortex.jpg)
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Bingo !
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as you know there is no glass production in Venice itself, only refineries. The glass makers are concentrated in Murano.
When we were in Venice the first time (?? 5 years ago?) we saw a large glass display centre (can't remember the name, sorry :roll: ) which had a furnace in the entrance, where they put on a display of glass working to attract the tourists in.
It was in fact a very small glassworking operation, with a massive showroom of glass which had been made in Murano (or maybe even in China? :twisted: ) upstairs. But there was definitely a young man there making those generic horses and gondolas. Whether they ever made anything more complicated I can't say, but it was glass , and it was produced in Venice! :shock:
Leni
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"Vetro Artistico Veneziano" and "Vetri Artistici Muranesi Societa per Azioni"
No relation, VAMSA as it was mentioned was in business during the 30's - 40's and it's been mostly represented by Barbini's "Sfumatto" technique. "Vetro Artistico Veneziano" is considerably newer and I dont think in any way related to Barbini.
Javier
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Love your bowl Peter
I just know it had a 'Made in Murano Italy, Vetro Artistico Veneziano' label on - you are right, this company is c1960s - 1970s I don't understand Ivo's VAMSA thing
My Uncle remembers buying a piece of this glass in the 1960s - I mean it is so psychedelic - the linking factor is the shapes, aventurine and often silver foil together - their single coloured items were mixed with a glitter substance like aventurine - I don't know the exact process
The label says it all - I have some I am looking at right now - says 'Made in Murano, Italy' why is Ivo talking about China again :? :?
I don't think they were an importer like G Hardy - the label feels right and the range of goods fit well into a general design pattern
I don't know any exact info about the company, I do think that I put up enough pieces all with same label to explain a lot of glass that is being attributed to other companies - I work on the principle of if it looks exactly like it, it is it
(http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/murano%201%20copy.jpg)
(http://publish.hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/murano%20bowl%20green%20fish%20copy.jpg)
Hand Made Genuine - 'Genuine' would they lie :shock: :wink: :?:
I have talked to eBayers over years selling same items with the same label - they usually just call it Murano even when you can see the label - still it confirms this glass is not that unusual or rare
Adam D555
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just because two companies have the words "art glass" in the name does not mean they're related in any way, that is the point of the above discussion.
And in general terms Murano glass is sold in Venice - but not exclusively. Labels that mention Venice in stead of Murano are often dealer or refinery labels. Only when the label states "made in Murano" can you be reasonably sure the piece was actually made there.
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Ivo
The label says - 'Made in Murano'
I am lost - I presume we are still talking about 'Vetro Artistico Veneziano' bowls and their labels
I started this thread with (yes I know it's everyone’s board) some simple evidence, a lot of bowls with the same label on them, that is the point, Ivo where you are going with this I just can't see, maybe you are reacting to a debate that has risen from the original thread, I am confused by that and was just trying to put it back on topic So if you run into glass with a "Venice” sticker - think decorator, think Chinese import, be suspicious.
- I mean you seemed to be talking about 'Vetro Artistico Veneziano' in the posts between you and Peter when you said this
I agree with you about some labels indicating agent or dealer - you mention this is the case if the label mentions just Venice, but that is not the case here
Are you making a point on something else, cos the point of this discussion, of the thread is about glass made in Murano?
Adam D555 :twisted: :twisted:
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I thought it may be interesting to revive this thread.
I have spotted this bowl on eBay - 'Vetro Artistico Veneziano' label same as my pieces (ones I sold) - also same shape and decoration.
Interesting as the label is most likely common but most sellers don't often show it in auction listings.
auction_link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120014636383&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3FMfcISAPICommand%3DGetResult%26ht%3D1%26shortcut%3D0%26from%3DR41%26query%3D%2B120014636383%26category0%3D%26Submit%3DSearch%26fvi%3D1)
Adam P
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Just my own contribution which may be way off kilter, but I have always understood that "Vetro Artistico Veneziano" was a label used by an export company who worked with several of the Murano houses including AVEM, Fratelli Toso and Salviati at various times in the past.
Maybe if Alex in Venice picks up on this he could be able to throw some more light.
Paul
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Thanks Paul
That is my feeling as well - it would be great to get more confirmation from your friend.
The exporter must have concentrated on particular OTT (foil, avventurina, the lot) forms - of the many I have handled there is always this similarity of 'glitz'
Adam
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Reading this thread is giving me a headache!
:evil: Adding to the misery: behold the Vetro "egg" paperweight in a tortoise-shell pattern. Does this provide any clues as to who used the infamous label? (I haven't a clue as to who made the egg, or when.)
Thanks,
Charles.
(http://i6.tinypic.com/23kzqew.jpg)
(http://i3.tinypic.com/23kzqpt.jpg)
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Hi Charles
Thanks for that picture - that is the first time I have seen the label on a non multi coloured / foil / avventurina vessel.
Very interesting and is more evidence of the label being an exporter as Chuggy suggests - your item shows they did export more subtle wares from Murano.
Thanks
Adam P
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Just bought a vase in White opalescent, which looks like an Aureliano Toso piece, but has the same labe we are discussing... I'll post a pic as soon as I can.
Maybe the reason we are seeing all these, "generic" bowls/vases, for a lack of a better word, is that the companies Avem, Toso, etc. (like Paul mentioned above) used this other company to sell their end of day pieces? I really havent seen any piece, be it figure, vase or bowl, with a distint "master blower" imprint in it. They all seem to be "end of day" pieces.
Javier
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I just bought an 'end of day' piece like the green one at the start of this thread but slightly bigger with this same label on it.
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I unearthed one of very similar construction in my own collection with the same label ...
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Here's the vase I was talking about earlier...
(http://www.svazzo.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/veneziavase.jpg.w300h400.jpg)
It has the same label underneath.
Javier