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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Ivo on September 07, 2005, 08:04:01 AM
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Here are a few goblet pictures. I'm not quite sure what makes a goblet, I think it is anything footed taller than a water glass. C 4 yourself.
http://tinypic.com/dg0609.jpg
The one on the left is the tallest, and has a simple line engraving of a threemaster. It was made in two parts: the stem and bowl are a single operation, the conical foot was finished seperately and attached. It sounds dull, it is clear glass of no distinguishing composition.
The one on the right is Leerdam Crystal - and it sounds like crystal. It has a domed foot, the rim folded inwards and an acid etched weapon "WM" - though I cannot think who has a beerbarrel and a fist crushing a beercan in his coat of arms.
http://tinypic.com/dg064p.jpg
The one on the left is Dartington, the one on the right tall & simple - suggestions welcome. The Dartington sounds clear - like good crystal
http://tinypic.com/dg066w.jpg
One octagonal panel cut, including the foot. Sounds like Bohemian semi-crystal. The bottom is polished.
The other one has an engraving of Worstead Cathedral and the signature MCV 1973. Suggestions, anyone? Same type of workmanship as the Dartington Frank Thrower ones, but with a much duller tone.
http://tinypic.com/dg06br.jpg
For comparison, the one on the left is probably a Leerdam design. They used to make decanter sets, boxed with 2 matching glasses - and most were designed by Floris Meydam. But they are almost impossible to tell apart - there must be at least 30 different ones.
The one on the right in semi-crystal and knopped stem workds French- it just might be a water glass not a goblet. Opinions?
http://tinypic.com/dg06d0.jpg
This is the one that Max has with an engraved fox.
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Ivo,
Probability is that the Worstead Church (Norfolk) glass, was made and engraved by Wedgwood, at Kings Lynn, and given that you feel possible Thrower connection, methinks you are on the right track. Might be worth seeing who was engraving there, for the MVC initials.
Regards,
Marcus
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I was hoping someone would yelp "aha I know that one" at one or two of the items, but then again, I suppose every glass maker has them in the repertoire and they're notoriously difficult to attribute.
Thanks Marcus for locating Worstead - it is down the road and the connection is likely.
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Ivo, all your pics have vanished from Tinypic. Could you add them back to the board for us please? :)
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in no particular sequence, here is goblets.
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and one for the road:
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I did a quick comparison of goblet sizes from EC and Webb in the Glass catalogue and sizes are wide ranging from 4 7/8" (125mm) to 6½" (165mm) height and 7½oz (215ml) to 12 oz (340ml) capacity - though most are 8 to 10 oz. 10oz and up usually described as large goblet. Some examples of the shapes as varied as you could want:
S&W 1900 (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/7abe2032d88420e4ce0eaf6d6ac630cc.jpg)
EC (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/282020d29210c9d0b8e0b9b8832d4d04.jpg), (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/836a92efa4d74814a14aa740db646eae.jpg), (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/4de8310b72276ec8bde5c62288315368.jpg), (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/44f7c72590d320443c63a8a0c529c547.jpg), (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/8637f3e9ec4cdad61c9c226cf275139b.jpg), (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/3751d46be5b3a9011a3b25264ab70998.jpg), (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/63b63a3df2f7e4d1c015d0346a6ba307.jpg)
Webb (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/2139b9f39e5c0fe510b48f2e843a1759.jpg), (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/5bfc576b1dba3496988f87e3c6a3d1e3.jpg), (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/5e70cb65fa8bf672ffa891d6b30ecfa2.jpg), (http://www.glasscatalogue.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/97b3812ffbd098954c8011d0ffbe547f.jpg)
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Charleston p.19 refers to Goblets, with an example dated 1300-1350, describes the medieval Goblet as "a tall stem, usually with a central knop or trailed motif" so presumably a goblet was originally a stemmed glass.
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The Worstead Church looks etched, not engraved, though the printing may be engraved.