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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Elmwood on December 11, 2008, 03:38:55 PM
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Hello to all,
We now have acquired what we hope and believe to be an example of Whitefriars AZTEC. However this seems to be a little shorter than other examples we have found on the net which measure 7" . Ours measures 5.5" in height, diameter from outside rim edge is approx 60mm. Weight is approx 527g.
Any info or assistance would be most appreciated......
Sharron & Mike
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The base doesn't look right. I would expect it to be flat and polished, but I could be wrong
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Never handled one in real life so I don't know if the finish is as it should be, but the colour looks good for WF Tangerine.
Possibly it was damaged and ground down if it is WF?
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Hi,
Thanks for your feedback, I have posted a few more slightly better angled photos of the base. We thought the base looked authentic.
The rim feels a little rough, so yes, it may well have been ground down- would this greatly affect the collectibility of the piece?
We agree, the colour looks pretty good, especially alongside out other two tangerine pieces. We paid £6 for this AZTEC piece at a local auction.
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Hi Sharron & Mike.
It seems to be a little short you may find a better answer if you post on www.whitefriars.com if it is WF the pattern No would be 9816 http://www.whitefriarsorg.org/memb1/profile_page_9816-prices.htm but as i say wf site may tell you more looks ok to me but bit concerned about the hight
Cheers Sg
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Hi all
Thanks for all the info....... We'll try the whitefriars site, to see what they come up with, on the height issue........
Thanks again..
Mike & Sharron........
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The base is right for an Aztec, height wrong, I'd say it has either been damaged and ground down - but two inches is a lot of height to lose, or it was made unusually short for some unknown reason
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Hi, after great difficulty have finally uploaded the additional photos on the glassgallery should anyone like to have a look - link as follows -
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=716
How odd that someone would go to the trouble of grinding it down? Good job it was Mike that bought it and not me.....
Thanks to all......
Please let me know if this link works, should take you to an album of 7 photos.....
Sharron
Moderator: Link to album fixed :)
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The more I look at this, the more I think it was made short - the catalogue size is 7 inches. The plain rim above the pattern (where it stops) looks as deep as the one I have here - however the spaces between the lines of the textured pattern are too narrow - so if it had been ground down and repaired then the top plain band of the rim would not be so deep. Mine measures 7 - 8 mm from top rim to where the pattern begins, the space between the lines of horizontal texture is about 4 mm. Hope that makes sense. So I would deduce it was just made short - but why, who knows. Maybe the glass blower didn't put enough molten glass to fill the mould?
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Maybe the glass blower didn't put enough molten glass to fill the mould?
Emmi, you're implying, no, saying an experienced glass maker would not take a gather that was big enough to make a standard size vase. I don't really think the suggestion stands up to any stutiny.
To me, in the photos of this vase, the gap at the top is consistant with the gaps lower down, suggesting that the vase has been carefully cut down and given a polished rim that is totally consistant with the original finish. If I understand you (and recall) correctly there should be larger gap between the pattern and the rim, whereas here it seems to be the same as the rest of the vase. At one stage this work would have been worth doing as the value of the textured pieces was so high, however nowadays this is far more questionable commercially. (This is not to say I condone such 'restoration' - however, of course it could have been a much loved item that has been repaired, just as much as an unscrupulous 'repair' for gain.)
Which brings me to the question of collectability. As a cut down piece it has lost all its value as a collectable item. IF on the other hand, it is in fact original, then of course it would have value as an unusual example.
£6.00 is a far price for such an item, but I seriously doubt that it is as made originally :(
Nigel
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' Maybe the glass blower didn't put enough molten glass to fill the mould?'
Lack of an emoticon = lack of seeing my irony, Nigel! ;)
We all see things differently and my observations of the measurements as they appear, are what I see. The consistency( or lack ) of the plain glass measurements are not apparent to me from the photos. This is one which is probably best seen in the flesh so to speak and if it could be brought to one of the glass fairs - Cambridge in February perhaps - it would make an interesting discussion with some of the ex-Whitefriars glass blowers who are likely to be there. I agree that if it is an original unrestored small version of this pattern, then it would of great interest. :) :)
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Hello all.... :thup:
Wow, what a lively discussion over this piece! Thankfully, the auction house were not trying to pass it off as WH, they were not sure! and it came in a lot of 2 items, including a nondescript piece of vaseline glass for a very modest amount of £6.
We are also fairly new to glass collecting.... I have always loved iridescent pieces, of which I have a small collection and Mike now has a technical appreciation and a rapidly increasing aesthetic one too. We would very much like to consider bringing it along to the glass fayre...
Having read all the comments, we feel that grinding down seems to be the best explanation. The outer rim edge doesn't feel as smooth as our other pieces. The space between the rim and top pattern is approx 4-5mm and between each repeat pattern is also 4-5mm.
Thankyou all so very much,
Sharron