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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Anne on September 10, 2005, 01:28:37 AM
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Following on from earlier threads about the pierced bubble based vases a la Tapio Wirkkala I have another example to throw into the pot...
...spotted today whilst in a pound shop in Lancaster, and I bought one for reference and closer inspection...
All vase... http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-532
Bubble base... http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-534
Label close up... http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-535
Impression of the vase... poor quality glass, has various imperfections visible in the glass, i.e. creases and straw-type marks. Bubble reasonably well done.
Compared to the Marks and Spencers one bought earlier - see http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-423 the Eternalle one is slimmer and taller but not as good quality.
I also managed to find one listed as Tapio Wirkkala with the Iittala label here... http://13th-f.com/main/tapio_wirkkala/twg-vs01.htm - now I need one of those in the "flesh" as it were to put all three side by side and see how they compare. Watch this space... :wink:
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It will be interesting to see a picture of them side-by-side to compare Anne. I spotted the same cheapo £1 vase this morning with an identical label, but it doesn't actually say where it was made. Reminds me of milk bottle glass, if you know what I mean, and looks as though a small gust of wind would blow it over.
Regards - t'other Anne :lol:
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Yes they're not really very substantial at all Anne. There's an e-mail address on it which when I checked, the domain redirected to me to another domain in the UK which is totally password protected - no index page even without a user name and password! :shock: Not very user friendly. :roll:
Can I ask if you saw yours in a similar outlet to the one I bought Anne? (Mine was one of those everything for £1 shops which tells you how much it cost me. :lol:)
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It was a local £ shop, but was priced £1.20 !!! :? Bloomin rip-off :twisted: Another local cheapo shop selling virtually everything (should be called Arkwrights :D ), has glass labelled "Made in China" but the quality is poor. Also checked our local small Woolies, but their glass doesn't state origins, just the name of the Company it is made for in the U.K. However, their glass was much better quality and some really cool contemporary designs. 8) Lots of Polish glass in local John Lewis - and really nice! And, for the first time ever, I dragged hubby into T.K.Maxx just to check out the glass and was really amazed at the prices and quality of some pieces. Again some Polish glass and Murano too.
Regards - t'other Anne :P
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Thanks Anne.... that must inflation then..??? Higher cost of living in the city you see! :lol:
A lot of the John Lewis glass seems to be LSA from their website - there isn't a JL near to me so I went to look online... Preston will be the closest I think. As for TK Maxx I've never seen one at all. In fact I'd never even heard of them until I joined this board last year... again it seems there's one in Preston and the next is Carlisle, and I'm slap bang in the middle of the void! :roll: Shows how often I leave my rural paradise huh...? :lol:
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I also managed to find one listed as Tapio Wirkkala with the Iittala label here... http://13th-f.com/main/tapio_wirkkala/twg-vs01.htm - now I need one of those in the "flesh" as it were to put all three side by side and see how they compare. Watch this space... :wink:
Hi Anne,
I don't know if you managed to get hold of one of the Iittala ones. I sold one some time ago but still have the photos, including some close-ups:
Whole (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/tapio_1.jpg)
Bubble (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/tapio_bub.jpg)
Base (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/tapio_sig.jpg)
The finish was very good, as you'd expect, and the sides where of a very even thickness. The bubble was very symmetrical. When I looked at the M&S ones some time ago, the sides seemed quite variable in thickness :lol:
robbo
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Robbo, thanks so much for posting these pictures. I've still only seen pics of the TW vases on the internet, never seen managed to handle one in vitro.
Your comments about quality are very useful, and that you have handled one so can report first hand about theat quality. Like you I found the M&S ones very variable - especially where the curved colour ends - some were very lopsided! Your pictures seem to show a very even curve to this join.
The Eternalle one nowhere near as good quality glass but the bubble is fairly well done, oddly enough!
I know Peter (paradisetrader) had doubts that the signed ones were genuine TW pieces so your input is valuable, thanks again.
I also found another bubble-based vase with a different shaped body but cannot find out who made this one-
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-429
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I know Peter (paradisetrader) had doubts that the signed ones were genuine TW pieces so your input is valuable, thanks again.
Only the particular one under discussion at that time, Anne, as it was a rather strange very pale color and we have seen suspect TW signatures here before.
I was also confused when it was suggested that the ones where the bubble goes thru to the base were made by Krosno.
My feeling was that was not nec the case having 2 Aseda vases alike in every way except for the bubble, which went thru to the base.
So I'm very pleased to now have this info & pic - thanks Robbo.
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Anne,
The e'mail info (all public info):
Registrant:
ardale international ltd
haydock lane, haydock
st helens, merseyside wa11 9we
United Kingdom
Registrar: DOTSTER
Domain Name: AILUK.COM
Created on: 09-MAR-02
Expires on: 09-MAR-10
Last Updated on: 11-MAR-05
Administrative Contact:
jones, brian brian ardaleinternational.com
ardale international ltd
haydock lane, haydock
st helens, merseyside wa11 9we
UK
01942 292929
01942 292920
taylog1
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I also found another bubble-based vase with a different shaped body but cannot find out who made this one-
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-429
Anne,
I've seen a blue (cased) one of these. From what I remember it was attributed to "Iittala or Aseda" OK so they had no idea :lol: :lol: I'm 99.999 (recurring) % sure it's not Iittala. Does it have any age to it? If so, maybe Aseda is a possibility? Or maybe Krosno? Is it good quality? The thing that is interesting about it is the amalgamation of elements: the 'Tapio' bubble combined with the undulating ridges on the sides, similar to a Riihimäen carafe designed by Nanny Still (I think called Tsarina). On a carafe the ridges obviously make sense, design wise, as a grip for your hand. (on a vase only if you intend to throw at someone :roll: )
robbo
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I saw an amethyst one attributed to Rihiimaki somewhere online too Robbo (probably an assumption based on the similarity to the carafe you mention), but consensus here on the board was that it wasn't Rihiimaki. Quality is fairly reasonable, the glass is not as thick as the M&S vase but certainly thicker than the Eternalle one. It has some wear to the base - it doesn't appear to be very new, but no clues as to maker on it.
Peter, thanks for clarifying and thanks to Gareth for the contact details for Eternalle. It seems they are an importer from the range of stuff I've seen with their branding on it.
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Two comparative shots for reference:
Left to right: Unknown in/out clear vase, M&S red vase, Eternalle clear vase - side view and bubble base closeup comparison.
Edited to add 3rd pic showing rim and comparative thickness of each one.
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These are very common here too (Norway), I have seen one with a Hadeland sticker on it. (blue and clear)
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I don't know if this is helpful or pertinent, but I posted a decanter with a pierced bubble base here a while back that was ID'd as Krosno. Here's the thread:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19667.0.html
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Thanks Kristi. The Krosno ones are well-known, but some of the Chinese-made ones also seem to be getting ID'd as probably Krosno so this topic is to show some of the Chinese ones and how easy it is to be fooled by them. :)
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hee hee, I didn't know any of them were Chinese! And I only now notice that the thread was started way back in 2005.
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I also found another bubble-based vase with a different shaped body but cannot find out who made this one-
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-429 (http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-429)
I've seen this vase attributed to Bo Bergstrom, Aseda. Also, in Fire & Sea, p. 26, there are a couple of Bergstrom vases close in shape to this one. I can't remember seeing a clear example, though.
David
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Kristi, it just shows we never give up on anything! ;D
David, thanks. I saw a coloured one attributed the same as well but not the clear one. It's very thin compared to the others which is what makes me leery.
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I have been trying to navigate the mine field that is bubble base cylinder vases.
I thought I had cracked it when I saw the photo on page 10 of Fire & Sea....... The coloured portion appears to have a very distinctive tear shape at the bottom.
However, Robbo's vase on this thread appears to have a flatter base to the colour, although this could be the angle of the photo.
Found this one online which appears to be signed similarly to Robbo's
https://www.etsy.com/sg-en/listing/670038464/iittala-finland-tapio-wirkkala-bubble
And that one also appears fairly flat at the bottom of the colour.
So now I'm wondering whether this can vary across pieces from the same maker?
The one possible point of differentiation that may prove more helpful, is the base. The Iittala ones appear to have a bigger hole than any of the other examples I've found, and I have had pieces in the past which I believed to be Polish, and which looked drilled out and very rough.
Also, the Iittala appear to have a flatter foot rim in the photographs, and it would be helpful if somebody with a confirmed piece could post a photo with their piece angled to show this aspect of the base.
I have a golden Amber one which I will add to this thread once I can get back into the glassgallery to upload some photographs, I suspect it will be a match for Anne's Retailed by M&S.
Finally, I wonder if weight might be useful to help differentiate between them, so just to get the ball rolling mine weighs 575g.
Cat
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Interestingly, Cat, my red M&S one is now a clear one, as all the red washed off! So it was just a coating, not coloured glass.
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Ahhh......that is interesting as I have had mine out on the kitchen shelf all day and I keep looking at the colour and it doesn't feel quite right somehow. It also has a strange bloom or iridescence. I'm thinking its a coating. I was going to give it a scrub, but not anymore 😹