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Title: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: incazzatonero on January 01, 2009, 10:46:54 PM

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Hello and happy new year!
I have got this item from ebay.
It looks like Murano, but could it be also NEGC, or French, or Belgium, or Bohemian???
Regards.

Title: Re: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: Lily of the Valley on January 01, 2009, 11:51:20 PM

I think your weight is very nice and looks to have some age to it.  It may have just not been well-cared for though.  The base appears to have a pontil mark on it.  Is the base smooth or concave?  Also, it looks to have a word and number on the base "Pirot - 4 - " or am I just seeing things? 8)  I look forward to the replies to your posting, and Happy New Year to you too!

Lily :)

 

Title: Re: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: Sach on January 02, 2009, 12:32:40 AM

I assume you are looking at this portion of the bottom for a possible signature?

Title: Re: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: Lily of the Valley on January 02, 2009, 01:33:07 AM

That's the area!  Thank you for the close-up.

Lily :)

Title: Re: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: alpha on January 02, 2009, 02:33:59 AM

It's an antique Venetian weight.

Title: Re: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: incazzatonero on January 02, 2009, 11:08:25 AM

hello all.
there is a rough pontil mark (the base is either smooth or concave).
in my opinin the old scrambled paperweights have very seldom a signature
( above all the ordinary old murano weights except some exceptional weights).
 :mus:

Title: Re: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: tropdevin on January 02, 2009, 04:33:51 PM

I agree it is Venetian, Andy - but what era?  The colours are too bright for mid 19th C, in my opinion, and I thought that production of paperweights then dropped off until well into the 20th C. So are we looking at 1880s, or 1900s, or 1930s? Any thoughts?

Alan

Title: Re: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: alpha on January 03, 2009, 03:46:55 AM

I have always thought (with no evidence to support my views) that it was definitely not of the Bigaglia era and not as late as 1900's. So 1880 is a good a spot as any for me.

Title: Re: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: incazzatonero on January 03, 2009, 04:39:46 PM

hello all.
In my opinion the brightness of the coulors say nothing about how old the item is.
Please look here at my old Murano weight of Giovanni Franchini from about 1850.
Also the kind of using the aventurin, the same rough pontil mark, the shape and feature of the weight, the pattern  seemd to me,that this item is more about 1880 then 1920 ( I know: the owner is everytime wishing an older item ;=))
regrads

Title: Re: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: incazzatonero on January 03, 2009, 04:42:54 PM

last one!

Please compere the two pictures:
C144,jpg  and  IMG_0160.jpg

Regards

Title: Re: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: glasstrufflehunter on January 04, 2009, 05:40:42 AM

The shape and finishing of the pieces looks the same, so I would say they are about the same age.

Very pretty, by the way!

Title: Re: Old scrambled Murano? ( Is every “Goldaventurin” Murano ? Like: zick-zack)!
Post by: alexander on January 04, 2009, 02:55:13 PM

These have always interested me, the shape, finish, pontil marks etc are very similar to early Murano weights,
yet the colors look more like French or US scrambles.

Had it not been for the aventurine and pontil marks I would have gone for French or NEGC,
but with those two features that doesn't sit right.

In the book Paperweights, by Sibylle Jargstorf, there is a weight on page 50 that has these kinds of canes,
she writes that these kinds of simple twists were very frequent in the 18th C and again on 1870.

Francini was much earlier and his canes are frequently present in Bigaglia weights.
There is a fantastic Bigaglia weight on eBay at the moment, far faaaaar out of my range tho.