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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: mhgcgolfclub on January 09, 2009, 06:26:50 PM
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Any help to ID the maker of this part clear part frosted glass candelabrum would be much appreciated, the same candelabrum is shown in the Millers Popular Glass of the 19th & 20th Centuries A Collectors Guide on page 31 but made in iridescence where it is described as Czech and c1930s, it measures 7.5" tall or 18cm . I think it a very stylish item and would like to know a little bit more of its history
many thanks Roy
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I bought one of these and expect it any day now! So, that makes two of us wanting to know about it. Any more items in this pattern? :thup:
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Czech it is. Identified from the CD accompanying Marcus' book Sklo Union Art Before Industry (http://www.sklounion.com), as Libochovice pattern 1686, and should measure 185mm (I think that's height).
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In fact I was a couple of years ahead of Marcus in identifying this item. I found a single stem in iridised glass while in Vienna. My subsequent research led me to Libochovice and I contacted them (before they closed). They confirmed that my candlestick was their product, probably made in the 1930s (iridised). I have also seen the double candlestick iridised. At the time (2006) the catalogue page showing the sticks was actually on the Libs website.
You can see the iridised candlestick and more info about Libochovice's Carnival output in my new book (yes I have one out too ::)) Carnival Glass The Magic & The Mystery 2
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Magic2.html
And see here for the candlestick
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/DecoCandlestick.html
Oh, btw, I named it SUBLIME DECO in 2006.
Glen
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Thank you very much Glen for the information , the picture of the single carnival candlestick looks great, I will have to look out for one, although this is the first one I have seen in over 5 years of travelling around so they cannot be that common, the one I bought today I first saw it the week before Christmas but for some reason did not buy it, over the last three weeks I kept thinking I should have bought it so decided to travel the 60 miles round trip to see if it was still in the shop for sale, lucky for me it was
thanks again Roy
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Glen that single one in carnival is stunning! I hope I find one of them someday!!
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Glen is true,
you can find this in Marcus's great book in Libochovice Glassexport catalogue from 1958 - pattern 1686/185, but the same was in production in the very last catalogue from Libs - Libochovické sklárny a.s. Czech republic (1997 - 2000) the pattern number 1686/180.
Should be the height guide Marcus?
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Yes, Jindrich. I know. I do have Marcus's book.
When I communicated with the people at Libs they told me that the later production of the candlesticks was not done in iridised finish (Carnival). That was back in 2006.
Moulded onto the base of my candlestick is the word TCHECOSLOVAQUIE.
For interest, also shown here.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Magic2Peek.html
gt
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I kook forward to receiving my copy of Marcus's book shortly which looks to be a must have book
Roy
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Well Glen,
the Czechoslovakian mark shifts the identification back to past.
This iridised issue is very interesting, as far as I understood Marcus, these pieces had been developed probably only like experiments and widely have appeared after privatisation. But who knows it exactly now. Can you please give me some links to Libs people who you conacted?
I would like to clarify this iridisation issue.
Jindrich
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Jindrich,
We are talking of two very different types of iridising. As you say, I have high-lighted the use of low-vacuum cold iridising, a process developed by LGW, (Lleinauer Glaswaren). However this technique would not have been used in the period when Glen's candlestick was made. There is no definitive date of when Czech glassworks appear to start using this technique, but
all the evidence suggests shortly before privatisation.
Sublime Deco, Glen's fabulous candle-stick, is a classic example of hot stannous salt iridised glass, and as such, fluouric acid frosting could be used to further enhance the item.
If fluouric acid salts were used on the first type of item, such as the Brabec wood-grain plate, the iridised finish would have been removed as the coating is not burnt in.
You perhaps have not fully understood, that when I spoke of the experimental items, I was referring to low-vacuum iridising, and not hot iridising, a technique used at Libochovice before 1939.
Regards,
Marcus
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Thanks, Marcus, for your input - much appreciated.
Jindrich, I will try and present the facts as I know them.
My iridised single stem Deco candlestick (Libochovice catalogue number 1224) was purchased by me in Vienna in March, 2004. I am aware of two iridised examples of the double candlestick (Libochovice catalogue number 1686). One of them is in a private collection and was purchased within the past 4 years. The other is in a loan collection at Broadfield House and has been there for some considerable time.
In March, 2006 I made contact with Libs via their website www.shl.cz (no longer active). I showed them a photo of my candlestick and asked for confirmation of production as they had two very similar candlesticks on their website (one was 1686 the double stick, the other was 1396, a single stick with floral motifs).
I received email confirmation from them on March 21, 2006, stating that my candlestick (1224) was indeed their production: quote "really very old design" - a probable time line of 1930s for the production of that item was also given. My understanding was that the single stick (1224) was not currently in their line and hadn't been for some time. I was also given an affirmation that they were not currently iridising.
Further information provided in the email was that they were currently producing the double stick (1686). It was shown on their website in part frosted finish.
Jindrich, you asked for a link to the Libs people, who I contacted. As noted above I made contact via their (then) active website. The email that was sent to me in return was from Marketa Ladisova from Sklarska Hut s.r.o., Rokycanova 368, Libochovice. I apoplogise for not being able to write the names with all the appropriate accents.
As a final addition to the mention of vacuum iridising, I have some photos and explanations about that here:
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/LGW.html
Hope this helps.
GT
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Thank you Marcus for explanation and Glen for contact details.
I will try to find this lady in our yellow pages, phone her and to get the maximum from her.
Jindrich
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Wow, fab candlesticks! The iridized one is gorgeous. So satinizing with fluoric acid doesn't remove the coating, that's interesting. (You can tell I know zip about carnival glass!)