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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: POOLED70 on January 25, 2009, 03:39:03 PM
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I've just picked up this tankard, not sure if it's Webb or Whitefriars. It is moulded with a wavy rib pattern and has an idented polished pontil mark it measures 4" high. Any help would be gratefully received.
Dave
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Not sure who made them as yet Dave, I have a brown one, and Chris Harrison has several, but we've been puzzling over them for a while. They are not Whitefriars, but could be Wuidart or Webb but we can't prove it as yet.
Mine is here: http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-944
Chris' are here: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3145
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Believe or not I bought this jug and glass set on the very same day as the tankard about 2 miles apart, the finish and pattern and the bases are all very similar to the tankard, i've seen a similar jug identified as Webb previously.
Dave
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Not Whitefriars i have had them the green is wrong probably Webb or Stuart . come on Nigel i am sure you know . jp :huh:
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Had a blue one once IDd as Wedgewood - at least it starts with a W....
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I have a similar green tankard. I had thought it was Whitefriars after recently reading an old thread from 3 years or so ago that talked about Whitefriars wave ribbed glass always/mostly having a 6 sided effect if looked at from above (which mine does), whereas Webb had a 4 sided effect. Would that observation be relevant here??
here is the link:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3617.msg28158.html#msg28158
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Always believed that these are Webb.
I've had a look at the ones in the kitchen to confirm the number of points, which is 6. However, this moulding is not the same as the Webb, or Powell/Whitefrairs wave patterns. The angles within the pattern on the mugs are more acute and the pattern is less pronounced. It occurs to me that the 6 points relate to Webbs use of 6 pointed rims.
Nigel
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Mine also has 6 points. Nigel do you recognise the jug and glass set pictured above as being form the same manufacturer? It may just be coincidence but living in the Dudley/Stourbridge region I have seen a few of this pieces in the same pattern cropping up in charity shops, could it signify a local maker.
Dave
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Sorry Dave, I didn't mention the jug and glasses as I thought you were satisfied with the attribution of Webb - and so you should be in my opinion :)
Nigel
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Just to insert a cat among the pigeons, there is a 6-wave jug or tankard amongst all the pieces of glass near the entrance to the old Stuart glass cone tourist attraction - the Red House Glass Centre, I think it's called.
I visited all the Stourbridgy sights (and sites) last year, and spotted it but couldn't get any joy out of the staff. "Sorry, all the records and the Stuart Collection are now owned by Waterford/Wedgwood, and we don't have access to any information."
Another reason to save Broadfield.
There's a long corridor once you get inside the old glassworks proper, at the end of which is a mockup of a Lehr/furnace. Amongst all the pieces of glass sitting among the cinders is the wavy item.
If anyone pops in soon, they could perhaps take a look-see. I assume that everything on display is Stuart, but it could well be a Webb piece included by mistake, of course.
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I did suggest Stuart ,something in the back of whats left of my memory
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http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3145
My gut preference was for Stuart, because of the colours. The apple green and turquoise blue are good matches for a couple of Stuart Stratford bowls that I have. Of course, these may also be Webb colours. I don't know.
I also have these tankards in flint, amber and brown. I didn't think that the amber or brown matched known Webb pieces that I have. In the wake of Nigel's remarks, I'll have to dig the mugs out and take another look.
And of course this is an old discussion...
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5922.0.html
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Hello,
Given the information that Chris has added about his visit to the Red House Cone I guess I've got to be a bit cautious. I am always happy to learn.
An observation that I have is that Stuart prided themselves in marking all their production - as claimed in adverts and other publicity material. Of course this was not always the case. For instance if items that were made especially for a particular retailer who stipulated that they were not marked, or else (presumably) if they were seconds.
Unless all the tankards were made for one retailerr (which of course is possible) I would have expected that by now one of us would have unearthed one marked "Stuart".
On the other hand Webb is often found unmarked and has given attribution problems over the years for that very reason.
Not by any means conclusive, but at least a valid point within this discussion.
I notice my comments, in the other thread linked, stated that I cannot recall seeing a marked version, so your points are indeed important Chris.
Nigel