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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: josordoni on January 27, 2009, 06:11:09 PM
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I would be very grateful if an expert eye could be passed over these three weights for me.
I bought them in a mixed lot of Scottish weights, I have sorted out the ones I am happy about, and I am left with these three.
I have been sorting through Kev's, Frank's and Richard More's canes, set ups and basal treatments, for two days now, I have a headache and finally a feeling these MAY be Ysarts, but if so, I don't know if they would be Salvador/Paul/or the Bros.
Any guidance appreciated as always.
1) 2.5 ins 60mm diameter, Solid orange ground, canes very proud of the base but very low in the dome, glass fairly dark, base shows small button and ground area around it.
http://clarkagency.co.uk/clicpicjan/ysart_orange/_local_ysart_orange.htm
2) Small button, 1.5ins 40 mm diameter, base very rounded showing grind marks.
http://clarkagency.co.uk/clicpicjan/ysart_button/_local_ysart_button.htm
3) Really not sure about this one, it may just be a Vasart/Strathearn? Fire polished base has grinding around the central area.
http://clarkagency.co.uk/clicpicjan/ysart_blue/_local_ysart_blue.htm
thanks in advance.
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1 & 3 probably, 2 probably not. But others will be better on those than I.
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Thanks Frank - the two that you are happy with, which Ysart would you attribute them to?
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I would only be guessing, but could be any of the periods to my mind. I think the cross cane has been on here before though and Ysartglass is not as useful on cane id's.
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I'll keep to my fence-y wording then 8)
Do you have any thoughts at all on the little button? Just your personal thoughts, I'm not looking for "written in stone" here :)
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Hi Lynne
3 looks to well made and lacking bubbles to be vasart, the black ground would lead me into it being strathearn, hard to be sure though. The button looks like the same shape as the top of a vasart bottle opener I have. Pretty hard to say for definite though, as is usual!
Ian
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Hi Ian,
they are a flipping nightmare LOL
I don't want to say something is what it isnt, whilst not wanting to say it isn't something if it is, know what I mean? ;D
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I tend to go "probably Vasart, possibly Strathearn" or vica versa......
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Hi Lynne
I would vote Vasart, Vasart, Strathearn. I doubt Paul Ysart had anything much to do with them.
Alan
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Thanks Alan.... he might have looked over someone's shoulder though.... :chky:
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Sorry not have been around for while folks, but I am having some ill health issues (and my dentist is starting to describe me as being "an interesting patient"!)
Anyway, just a quick comment on these items.
I agree with Alan.
Number 1 looks like many that have either a Vasart or Pirelli "shaped" label.
Number 2 has early canes (at least as early as Ysart Brothers period) but the dome seems very clear and would suggest the later Vasart years.
However, as I often point out to people, only a shortwave UV light will "prove" whether items like these were made before 1956.
PY would not have been looking over the shoulder of whoever made those items, which are all of the "standard gift item" quality produced in thousands by Vasart / Strathearn.
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Hi Kev, thanks for your input too, Richard More was kind enough to contact me directly and steer me towards some of his pictures for further guidance, his feeling was that they were Vasart, possibly in the earlier Ysart period for the first one, a bar tool for the second (although as you say, the canes could be earlier - I found the central cane on an earlier Ysart concentric on his pages, but I agree that means nothing in terms of the overall age of the weight), early Strathearn for the last one, so I've kept the middle of the fence referring everyone to here, the Ysart pages and the sections that Richard suggested on his listing. Hopefully that should be sufficient information for people to make their own minds up as to what these are.
Ultimately, they are nice weights! I like them, especially the little one.