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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: cpccpc on February 23, 2009, 09:21:36 PM
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the vase is 25cm high and 12.5cm in diameter at the top; a fine green thread runs from the bottom to the very top; it is not embedded in the thin wall but attached in relief. I have not found anything of help to identify either the age, the maker, the studio or the country. the only hint I got from a 30s pattern book in Venini's catalogue raisonné.
have a look at the link, since I have not succeeded to attach the fotos below (too many kb)
thanks for your help
cpccpc
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What you describe sounds like a threaded vase, instead of filigrana. It doesn't look like a Venini piece. The threading reminds me of the threaded glass made in England and the USA in the late 19th Century, though your vase doesn't look that old. Maybe some of our UK collectors will recognize it. It is a very pretty vase and looks to be good quality.
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Anita's right - it's definitely machine threaded. There's nothing like that shape in Gulliver Victorian Decorative Glass that I could see.
Maybe a closer picture of the base would help?
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And of the top. It looks modern, i.e., not 19th century. The threading on the 19th century vases looks closer together and they are much smaller. It's a lovely vase though. Is there much base wear?
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thanks so far. when you say machine threaded, does that mean it was industrially made? would that be the reason for the threading being so regular although at the base where the thread started(?) it looks rather less machine made.
as for the wear at the base: the vase stands on the thread which indeed is a bit worn while the rest of the base is not.
as for age: the amount of tough grime that had to be removed carefully from between the threads it must have been around for some time.
looking forward to more help as to origin.
I shall add some clearer pictures in my face book for you
cpccpc
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"Machine threaded" means the item is set into a device that holds and turns it and applies the threading using precise timing of all movements such that the thread is wound with exact spacing and 'straightness'. It is not necessarily the same thing as "industrially made" if, by that, you mean "mass production". But with the "threading machine" all items made, whether that was two or two thousand, would have equal quality threads.
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A beautiful description, Kev :clap: I love the intricacy and accuracy of machine-threaded glass.
Christian, the principal is similar to a wood lathe, if a little more complex, and just as you wouldn't think of a hand-lathed object as industrial, nor should a hand-blown glass with a machine-applied thread.
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We would still like a picture of the top rim close up and of the base itself, not quite straight on from above, but close up at a slight angle. I'm still leaning towards mid to late 20th century (although I could be wrong).
Here (http://www.antiquehelper.com/auctionimages/48488t.jpg) is a rather nice Victorian bowl and here (http://www.antiquecolouredglass.info/images/ThreadedClaretDecanter.JPG) what is said to be a Stevens and Williams claret jug, which looks to me to be slightly later than the bowl
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Base finish is v similar to a number of Bohemian/ Czech items dating 1910-1930's some with Czechoslovakia acid stamp, more usually in simpler forms with red or white threading.
Truit's VII p50 shows a clear green machine-threaded horn, acid stamped.
Opposite is a tango item in opaque mid-pale green.
Is the foot hollow ? If so that is another feature of glass from this region and period.
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Hi there,
thanks for your help. I think you are right with Bohemia. I have placed some other fotos of the machine threaded vase, so you can carry on your analysis.
since you are such a help, I've added fotos of two iridescent glasses I've not been able to identify.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=9419&id=1656425427&saved
best wishes
christian
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Christian, your link directly above gives me a Login page, not the image(s).
Also, if you have not already done so, please start a separate thread about the iridescent vases, otherwise discussion and relevant info can easily get muddled if it is all in one thread. This is particularly important for when messages get marked up as "resolved".
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something went wrong with the new set of fotos.
hope this is better.
thanks for the hint!
christian
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=9419&id=1656425427&saved#/album.php?aid=9419&id=1656425427
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Still goes to a Sign Up page >:(
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The view permissions are set to private I think Kev. Christian, you'll need to change the privacy setting for the pics or, even better, upload them onto the board so everyone can see them easily. See here for help in posting pics to the board: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html but do shout if you get stuck.
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Christian,
Thanks for starting the new thread. If I'm logged in to Facebook I can see the pictures - would you like me to copy and paste them into your threads?
You should be able to resize your pictures using an image processing program like Gimp 2.0 or Irfanview. This would allow you to add your pictures to your post directly. It's usually a case of compressing the jpegs a little as much as reducing the size, depending on the resolution of your camera.
Cathy
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The glasses referred to can be seen on a new thread here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,25251.msg139875.html#msg139875
The size of the photos has been reduced, and those photos have been added to your posts.
Anne's post above contains a link to the GMB guide to posting pictures. At the bottom of the page, there's a link to a free image program, Irfanview, and simple instructions for using it to reduce the size of your photos. See how you go and get back to us if you need more help.