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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: ckscot on February 27, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
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Another auction find that I was assuming might be Nazeing, but I couldn't find this shape anywhere, and having ploughed through the Message Board's history of Nazeing queries, I am none the wiser. Does anyone recognise this? Any help much appreciated. I am thinking it's headed to Ebay and like to be as accurate as possible in my descriptions/attributions.
It is 8.5" tall and 4.25" in diameter at the rim and the base. It has a smooth, central, fairly shallow pontil mark and a fair bit of wear on the edge of the base. Not sure of its weight - my weighing machine only goes up to 2kg and it's a bit more than that.
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Iain — I had its twin for a while, which I sold about two years ago. Like you, my first thought was Nazeing, but it just didn't fit.
Then I compared it to a threaded vase then owned by Mervyn Gulliver, confidently attributed to S&W/Royal Brierley. It was a perfect match on weight, shape, size, and pontil finish. It also seemed quite reasonable for S&W/Royal Brierley to offer a cloudy range in the mid to late 1930s.
So — that's not an attribution, but I don't think it's too far from the truth.
Bernard C. 8)
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Thanks Bernard, I hadn't thought of Stevens and Williams, but what you say makes sense. I will maybe hang on to it for a while and do some more ferretting on Stevens and Williams. Are there any good books on their output?
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Iain — About the best is Dodsworth, British Glass between the Wars, often refered to here as just BGbtW, which provides probably the broadest perspective of S&W/Royal Brierley's products in the 1930s. I'm optimistic that Hajdamach II will address just this issue when it is published, which, from information I obtained at Cambridge recently, may not be too far away.
Certainly you will find a careful analysis of the S&W/Royal Brierley products in BGbtW useful.
Bernard C. 8)
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Thanks again Bernard. I've started to look for a copy, but Amazon starts at £25, which is bit pricey for me, so I'll keep looking for now.
Iain
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... Amazon starts at £25 ...
Iain — I'm surprised. I would have expected a price twice that for a clean copy.
Don't forget your local library. Interlibrary loan works well in the UK, and is either free to the user or a fairly nominal fee to discourage timewasters.
ISBN 0 900911 22 0.
Bernard C. 8)
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Thanks again Bernard. I always forget about the library. I'll see what they say about an inter-library loan......
Iain
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Iain — A nice coincidence. Just completed on eBay is Vintage Green Glass Jug, Blue Handle. Vasart? Nazeing? (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400034014074). It could be related to your vase, and the blue handle could help with attribution.
Bernard C. 8)
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Well spotted Bernard, thanks, the green colour certainly seems a dead ringer for mine. Not sure it helps with attribution much though. I'm pretty sure it's not Vasart or Monart. I don't own any of these but I see lots all the time at local auctions here in Scotland and mine doesn't have the same look or feel.
Iain
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Hello,
I have been watching this thread in deep frustration, since I had been having problems getting logged in. Now sorted by Anne - thank you :hiclp:
I am certain that I have given this vase and others in the series a definate attribution before now on this board. I also discussed my suspicions with you sometime prior to doing the research into the problem Bernard ;)
Anyway, I was unable to bid on the Pre-war Nazeing May Green jug with blue handle yesterday because there was a problem with the internet service again yesterday PM. Got back home to be able to go online having missed the opportunity to buy....arrgh!! Would have made a nice 'pair'/comparison to the one we had in the exhibition in 2003.
Your vase IS definately S&W and NOT Nazeing.
Nigel
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Thanks Nigel, I'm delighted that I can have it definitively attributed to S&W. Searching through the threads for something as vague as 'cloudy green vase' is endlessly interesting and educational for me but it hadn't yielded up the threads you remember, so your experience is invaluable.
Iain
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Hello
I have found this thread very interesting.
I was the winning bidder on the green vase with blue handle which I thought may have been Nazeing. Nigel - sorry you weren't able to bid on it but if you would like further info like additional dimensions/ pictures I would be more than happy to provide these when I get the vase. I could do it on this thread if allowed or in connection with a post I made March 02 2009 in which I was seeking ID of a yellow vase which I thought may be Nazeing - any help there would be much appreciated.
Pete
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Hello Pete, and welcome to the board,
I have replied to the other thread.
Please could you email me directly (nbenson at 20thcentury-glass.com - replace 'at' with @) with the measurements of the jug. As the measurement is, and not rounded up or down, and in inches and centimetres, please.
Many thanks, Nigel
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Can someone post a picture of the jug so it doesn't disappear when it falls out of the ebay system please. :)
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Hi
Pictures of Nazeing green vase with blue handle as requested
Pete
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I don't want to catch foot in mouth disease.... as this is not my area of expertise.....but looking at the images of the vase and the jug, I don't think they are a match. :)
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G'day Adam,
I think the consensus is that they're not related. Nigel says the vase is S&W, whereas the jug is Nazeing.
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Hi,
Mr A, you've been speed reading again, haven't you? ;) ;) But your observation is right, as explained by Cathy :)
Nigel
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speed reading again
:rn: :-[ :angel:
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Pete — Please would you post the measurements of your jug here for anyone interested. Whatever units of measure you are comfortable with will be fine. Convention is that you put any calculated conversions in parentheses (round brackets).
So 6½" / 16.5cm would indicate that you had measured it twice, in both metric and imperial, whereas 6½" / (16.5cm) would indicate that you had measured it just the once, in imperial, and helpfully provided the conversion.
If you need them, you should find ¼ ½ and ¾ in "Character Map", which you will find in Accessories — System Tools in Windows.
Bernard C. 8)
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Hi Bernard
Jug dimensions as requested (measured with vernier and with mean thickness/diameters given)
Glass thickness at rim 0.455 cm (0.18) ins
Jug height 15.55 (6.12)
Handle height 15.55 (6.12)
Rim O/D 10.50 (4.13)
Handle to lip overall 15.11 (5.95)
Handle length overall 10.75 (4.23)
Max jug O/D 13.71 (5.40)
Waist O/D 9.46 (3.72)
Hope this information of use
:thup:Pete
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Pete — Thanks. It's good that it's there, in case anyone needs the information.
Bernard C. 8)