Glass Message Board

Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Bernard C on March 02, 2009, 07:09:32 PM

Title: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
Post by: Bernard C on March 02, 2009, 07:09:32 PM
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/normal_DSCF0477.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/DSCF0477.jpg)   (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/normal_DSCF0478.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/DSCF0478.jpg)

This is a good quality controlled bubble dish, diameter exactly 5", neatly drilled and fitted with a chromium plated Dunhill trade marked reservation / menu card holder.   It weighs 1lb 2¾oz.

Two queries:
  • 1. Maker, pattern number, date, &c?
  • 2. Why the Dunhill trade mark?   Surely it's use as card holder would have ruled out the use of the dish as an ashtray.   Or did Dunhill supply non-smoking accessories, just to increase awareness of their brand name?

    • Thanks for your interest.

    Bernard C.  8)
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Frank on March 02, 2009, 07:25:54 PM
    Dunhill sell all sorts of up-market giftware, even the odd bit of furniture. I once had a superb Art Deco desk with their nameplate inside the drawers when I had my shop.
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: johnphilip on March 02, 2009, 07:45:06 PM
    It wouldnt surprise me if Whitefriars had something to do with it , when they made items for other companys they didnt go in the catalogues IE Parker  - Ronson -  Aspreys . I will check it out with the ex staff .
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: johnphilip on March 03, 2009, 08:22:22 AM
    You could ask the bubble nutters on Whitefriars.com who sit up all night counting the bubbles . ;D :chky:
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Bernard C on March 03, 2009, 09:02:21 AM
    JP — I'm a rib and other pattern repeat counter, so it is to my shame that I forgot to count the spirals of bubbles on my dish.   Thanks for the reminder to include this important information.   ;D

    So, "I counted them all out and I counted them all back," twice — to make sure, and there are 24 clockwise spirals of bubbles, and 24 anticlockwise spirals of bubbles.

    Bernard C.  8)
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Pip on March 03, 2009, 09:21:39 AM
    Bernard, have you thought about contacting Dunhill directly?  In one of the London Dunhill shops either in Sloane Street or Bond Street (sorry I can't remember now which one) they have the most wonderful museum containing all sorts of original Dunhill items and a curator who would, I'm sure, be delighted to help.
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Pip on March 04, 2009, 11:13:15 AM
    Did you manage to find out anything about this piece Bernard?  I'd be really interested to know if it *is* WF and what it's purpose is...
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Patrick on March 04, 2009, 02:24:22 PM
    Hi Bernard,
     I would say 100% Whitefriars...................

    John Hobbs pointed you in the direction of the ' Specialist ' web site Whitefriars.com but I have saved you the trouble ...............

    Check out this extract from the work book of Harry Dyer where 'Dunhill' is mentioned. what AT stands for I do not know but you may have thoughts ?????

    Regards,
                  Patrick. :)
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: vidrioguapo on March 04, 2009, 02:33:26 PM
    Possibly AT  is for Ashtray ...................
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Patrick on March 04, 2009, 02:58:48 PM
    Hi Emmi,
     I think you are spot on..................   I think Bernard's piece is in fact an ASTRAY.  The metal part could easily hod the cigarette safely and then let you pick it up for another 'Puff'

    Regards, Patrick.

    Ps. Bernard....... if you are up for a sale , please let me have first go at it .
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Bernard C on March 04, 2009, 05:18:59 PM
    Thanks everyone for your fascinating input, particularly the Harry Dyer work book extract, Patrick.

    Patrick & Emma — When Alfred Dunhill Ltd.'s order clerk placed that order for 160 Twilight Dunhill Ash Trays with Whitefriars in December 1957, he did so knowing that everyone concerned knew what he meant.   And he knew that in the near future, he would receive 160 pierced dishes.   Then, by fitting them with the appropriate metalwork, they became ashtrays, menu / reservation card holders, toothpicks, &c.   This flint example happens to have been fitted with the menu / reservation card holder.   That's all.   Just effective communication and intelligent design.

    Quote from: Patrick
    Ps. Bernard....... if you are up for a sale, please let me have first go at it.

    You were beaten by two emails, Patrick, so to be fair to everyone I have no option now but to list it on eBay.  :angel:

    Quote from: Patrick
    ...   John Hobbs pointed you in the direction of the ' Specialist ' web site Whitefriars.com but I have saved you the trouble   ...

    Patrick — Thanks.   I was planning on moving this query to WF.com should no more information emerge.   I also have two difficulties with WF.com at present, almost no personal web space remaining for hosting images, and I seem to have mislaid one of my two passwords.

    Quote from: Pip
    Bernard, have you thought about contacting Dunhill directly?   ...

    Pip — Thanks for the suggestion, but Patrick's new information makes it unnecessary now.

    Bernard C.  8)
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Bernard C on March 06, 2009, 07:43:29 PM
    The card holder demonstrated — front and back:

    (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/normal_DSCF048283.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/DSCF048283.jpg)

    I hope this convinces any remaining septics.  ;D

    Bernard C.  8)
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: johnphilip on March 06, 2009, 08:00:26 PM
    OK Bernard you have convinced me , i love the two finger salute , talking of septics what happened to Max ,s thread . ;D :angel:  so do i get 9 out of ten . :hiclp:
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Anne on March 06, 2009, 08:04:38 PM
    Sceptic not septic, surely?  :kissy:   Although in Max's case...   :chky:
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Bernard C on March 06, 2009, 08:13:02 PM
    Anne — Definitely septic as JP and Patrick were winding me up something rotten over on WF.com.  ;D

    Bernard C.  8)
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Patrick on March 06, 2009, 08:34:22 PM
    Hi Bernard,

    Ok...............  Can you try it with a lighted cigarette , so we can see how it is held safely and does not fall off the edge of the ashtray thereby burning your table top !!!!!!!!!

    Regards,
                   Patrick. :) :) :)
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: johnphilip on March 06, 2009, 08:37:37 PM
    ELF & SAFETY . BOOM BOOM . >:D ;D :angel: :huh: :rn:
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Anne on March 07, 2009, 12:51:48 AM
    Perhaps you could put breath-fresheners (mints) in it instead?   >:D
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Max on March 07, 2009, 04:00:47 PM
    Are the mints in case you're feeling dyspeptic?  :::groan:::   ;D :rn:

    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: Patrick on March 08, 2009, 12:57:56 PM
    Quote from: Bernard C on March 06, 2009, 08:13:02 PM
    Anne — Definitely septic as JP and Patrick were winding me up something rotten over on WF.com.  ;D

    Bernard C.  8)

    Hi Bernard,
    You have not told of this reply you had on .com..............
    Quote:-

    "Hi Bernard,

    In fact John is correct - I've seen one in it's original box DUNHILL "PRONG" ASHTRAY which shows a diagram with a lit ciggy between the prongs.

    Cheers,   Stan. "

    Regards, Patrick.

    Ps. When is it going on Ebay ??????????
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: vidrioguapo on March 08, 2009, 01:44:33 PM
    I guess then it could be multi purpose, but I thought from the beginning it was an ashtray, even without the cigarette indents, which I believe were discontinued by Whitefriars after 1963???  (not exactly sure of the year)  when the Government of the time put an extra tax on indented ashtrays.  Elf and Safety  at it even then!!!  Emmi
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: johnphilip on March 08, 2009, 04:47:33 PM
    God it is so boring always being right , init Patrick . :chky:
    Title: Re: Controlled bubble dish with Dunhill reservation / menu card holder?
    Post by: johnphilip on March 09, 2009, 04:01:51 PM
    Also this would do away with the extra high tax on ash trays  ,no grooves no tax and the fags (yuk) dont roll off and burn your table . :thup: